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#21 GiGi

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Posted 02 December 2003 - 08:51 PM

Banapis, on Dec 2 2003, 05:25 PM, said:

Nobody would have misunderstood him and you have to play the ever popular "take-the-words-out-of-context game" in order to paint Dean as "out of date." 

To which I say: dirty pool old man.  Dirty pool. :p
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#22 Yama

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Posted 02 December 2003 - 10:59 PM

G1223, on Dec 3 2003, 01:42 AM, said:

Yama, on Dec 3 2003, 01:25 AM, said:

G1223, on Dec 3 2003, 01:19 AM, said:

Dean the excuse to vote for Hilary come the convention. Oh wait she is not a canidate. Except she is in Iowa shaking hands while Dean make flup-ups so Hilary can be seen as the great savior of the party.
Not gonna happen in 2004.
You are sure of this? Because otherwise why is she out meeting and greeting folks in Iowa?
Getting off topic but yes, I am QUITE certain Hillary Clinton will not be running in 2004.  At tis point, there are too many candidates for the Democratic nomination who have too much of a vested interest in their own candidacy and too many consultants, handlers, fund raisers, etc. already dedicated to the candidates that are already out there.  Strangely enough, Wesley Clark picked up the last of the "Clintonistas"; forecluding -- in my opinion -- a run by Hillary this cycle.

As for her being acclaimed at the Democratic Convention, it will not happen because: (a) again, too many Democrats are already committed to others (including themselves) and (b) nominating her if she has not entered and won a primary seems too undemocratic (and un-Democratic, slight pun intended).  Times have changed since the halcyon days of 1968, when a sitting Vice President could when the nomination without really running in the primaries.  Indeed, the changes in the Democratic nomination process in 1968 and especially 1972 were enacted to insure that never happens again.  It looks way too much like an annointing, especially for the self-proclaimed "party of the little people".

As for why Hillary is pressing the flesh in Iowa now, she is making her preparations for 2008.  (Newsflash: there a few notable Democrats who, off the record, think there chances of regaining the White House in 2004 range between slim and none.)  It keeps interest in her high, it prepares the groundwork for 2008 and, let's face it, she gets the "true believers" in the Democratic Party motivated for whoever is the eventual Democratic nominee; in much the same way that Reagan used to get the Republican "true believers" motivated.

Newsflash 2: Hillary is by no means universally loved amongst the "powers that be" in the Democratic Party.  They will use her for there own purposes, as she will use them for hers, but there is a level of animosity between them.  She knows this -- no one ever accused her of being dumb -- and thus must widen her base first.

To be honest, the major votaries of a "Hillary in 2004" campaign are rightwing zealots who do so: (a) to motivate their own base and (b) because they have an unhealthy and possibly paranoid obsession with her.  Hillary is still an incredibly polarizing figure, even more so than her husband.
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#23 Rhea

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Posted 03 December 2003 - 12:34 PM

Cardie, on Dec 2 2003, 06:22 PM, said:

In other nomeclature news, General Clark has apparently decided, given the campaign ads he's running here, that real nominees aren't called Wesley, so he's billing himself as Wes Clark.

I wonder if he's worried that people might start comparing him to another Wesley C.  :devil:

I'm currently leaning toward either Lieberman or John Edwards, but I'm not very excited about anyone.

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#24 G1223

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Posted 03 December 2003 - 03:53 PM

Well Yama what about the recent Hollywood stunt that was organized by Hilary's PAC.

Edited by G1223, 03 December 2003 - 03:56 PM.

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#25 Yama

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Posted 03 December 2003 - 06:05 PM

G1223, on Dec 3 2003, 08:53 PM, said:

Well Yama what about the recent Hollywood stunt that was organized by Hilary's PAC.
If you're talking about HillPac, I'm not in the least bit surprised.  It is a way for her to raise money (which Senators do incessantly), keep her profile high and collect "chets" and favors for when she does run in 2008.  But I stand by my assertion that Hillary Clinton will not be running for President in 2004.  Period.

EDITED TO ADD:
We have gotten off topic here.  We should probably start another thread if you really want to continue with this.

Edited by Yama, 03 December 2003 - 06:07 PM.

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