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#41 Rov Judicata

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Posted 14 December 2003 - 10:01 AM

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Posted 14 December 2003 - 10:01 AM

I thoroughly approve of the Iraqi's trying him but I would like to see him imprissoned out side Iraq for at least a few years to give things a chance to stablize. I worry that if he is imprisioned inside the country that there might be repeated efforts break him out.

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Posted 14 December 2003 - 10:04 AM

Delvo, on Dec 14 2003, 02:42 PM, said:

This man's life has been too prissy to starve himself to death. He's never had to endure pain. ...
According to his history, he started out as a street fighting tough / assassin. He knows what the inside of a jail is like. Don’t under estimate him, or his toughness.

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Posted 14 December 2003 - 10:04 AM

Brynhilde, on Dec 14 2003, 04:28 AM, said:

The question is, if it is him and they prove it.. what will they do with him?
Well, if I recall correctly, Saddam was kind enough to leave one of his plastic shredders behind....
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Posted 14 December 2003 - 10:06 AM

Wow!  Amazing news.  Nothing to add other than that like the Unabomber, imprisonment will probably mark an improvement in the man's living conditions of the past several months.  Yay to the U.S. forces for capturing him, and may he get the justice he so richly deserves for what he did to the Iraqi, Kuwaiti, Iranian, and Kurdish peoples.

The next couple of months will be interesting, in that we'll finally see how much Saddam was coordinating the insurgency and how much will go on without him.

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Posted 14 December 2003 - 10:14 AM

D, I'm going to go ahead and edit the thread title to make it clear that it's confirmed now. :).
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Me: "I have a job and five credit cards and am looking into signing a two year lease.  THAT MAKES ME OLD."
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Posted 14 December 2003 - 10:25 AM

Great news that Saddam is captured.  He think he can, will and should be tried for crimes against humanity and, if he is found guilty, he can, will and should be executed.  Although the possibility cannot be completely discounted.  Saddam was a Ba'ath socialist, a secularist, and I don't think he himself wil be a martyr.

Osama din Ladin, on the other hand, is different.  I fear that, despite the utterly horrendous crimes he is guilty of, he may indeed become a martyr.  Indeed, the principal reason I still have misgivings about the war and ousting Saddam is because I fear a democratic Iraq is not necessarily a pro-American or pro-Western Iraq.  Or a pro-Western Islamic word.

As Machiavellian as it may sound, Saddam may have been a useful counterweight to both Shi'ite and Sunni fundamentalism (which themselves are extremely hostile to one another).  As bad as he was -- and please don't get me wrong, Saddam's reign was bad -- whatever comes next may end up being worse.

But I digress.

Again, I am very happy that Saddam was captured and think he should be tried for crimes against humanity.
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Posted 14 December 2003 - 10:26 AM

I think he may give up lots of information. He strikes me as the sort to sacrifice everyone else if he thinks it will do him any good.

Now there's a fighting chance for a new Iraq to be born. That wouldn't have been possible with the threat of Saddam's return hanging over everyone's heads.

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Posted 14 December 2003 - 10:35 AM

OMG!  I just saw the photos.  It's the guy from Monty Python who says "It's..."
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Posted 14 December 2003 - 11:07 AM

The pictures of him being examined have been on TV for hours now... there'll probably be on sale as DVDs and in the living rooms of every Iraqi household soon :rolleyes:

There was some talk on the radio this afternoon about his hair being black, and wondering why he had bothered to continue dying his hair when he'd given up shaving.  No wind on the moon and all that... if it is a fake, the real Saddam's dead and not going to complain.  On Sky News one of the reporters keeps going on about the cheek swab every time the footage loops.  It's really annoying.

I wonder how the interrogation's going.  If he gave up & cooperated so easily, what will it mean if he says there were no WMD's?

How's this going to affect the resistance fighters that came in from outside Iraq?  Not all of them were fighting for Sadam.  Will they quit?  -edit - there's another thread for this one.

Edited by Munrock, 14 December 2003 - 11:25 AM.

Lies: the real WMDs

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Posted 14 December 2003 - 11:14 AM

Great news!  If anything good came out of this war, it was the fact that Saddam was finally taken out of power (and now finally captured).

Like Zack said, the next few months are crucial, as they decide how to try Saddam, and we see if he really was behinda ll the military operations (some of the newscasts are saying it could be another top official coordinating them, I forgot his name).
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Posted 14 December 2003 - 11:17 AM

W00000000000T!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

'Bout time.

Excellent news. :D

And I think it's only fair if he's tried in Iraq by Iraqis.  Maybe with some representation from the Kurds and Kuwaitis too..... :alien:
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Posted 14 December 2003 - 11:19 AM

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If he gave up & cooperated so easily, what will it mean if he says there were no WMD's?

It'll mean that he doesn't want to a) justify the war in Iraq that ousted him and b) that he doesn't feel like adding to the charges he's going to be slapped with at his trial.  

Saddam surrendered easily because he didn't want to give a US soldier a chance to shoot him in the head.  That's a far cry from turning around and acting like a foiled villian at the end of a Scooby Doo mystery.  Saddam *may* cooperate, but I wouldn't start thinking that just because he's surrendered that he has no further interest in lying.
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Posted 14 December 2003 - 11:28 AM

Also with Saddam's Capture I would not be surprised to see attacks continue. They might even increase as an attempt to use that as a bargaining chip.

I was watching the Histroy Channel Friday and it was talking about the Werewolves of Germany.  The Werewolves were a group of Nazi's who did not surrender and kept up a war of terro for nearly 4 years after the war. So this has happened before it can continue for a bit longer.
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Posted 14 December 2003 - 11:30 AM

Ah, some *good* news to which to wake up early. It beats waking up to news like 9/11. Now I want someone to capture Osama bin Laden, please...

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Another thought about what to do with him... If he's to be killed, then have him embalmed with pig blood instead of preservatives and buried wrapped in pig skins. According to Islam, that will prevent ANY Muslim no matter who he was from getting to Heaven. And if he's to be kept alive, feed him only pork chops, veggies cooked in ham broth, and bread soaked in bacon grease.

:devil: Re: bin Laden, I made post 9/11 comments to the effect of how people such as he should be killed by wild pigs, to make them haram and unable to go to paradise. Apparently, more-civilized people consider the vengeance in that thought to be repulsive, savage, and cruel. Yes, it is, so sorry. For those who think I'm a peacenik, welcome to the side of me that might condone Old Testament-style revenge.

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It's also worth bearing in mind that despite constant media references inside his dictatorship to Allah Saddam is not really a religious man at all.

From what I've heard, despite the legend that he'd produced a Koran written in his own blood, he wasn't religious; his Iraq was secular. (Which wasn't a bad thing in that region; I'd prefer the new Iraq to be neither strictly Shiite like Iran or strictly Sunni like the Taliban, thanks.) His purpose was mostly to survive and to kill everyone he could while doing that.

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OMG! I just saw the photos. It's the guy from Monty Python who says "It's..."

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Posted 14 December 2003 - 11:50 AM

Now that he's been captured, we'll have to see if this might cause possible reprisals from elements still loyal to Saddam that haven't been accounted for yet.  :unsure:

It would be interesting to find out what Osama Bin Laden's reaction would be in regarding to this....

I saw the photos from CNN on Saddam's hut/building where he was found and for a moment thought that the hole he was found in was used as his privy.

<Saddam> "I'm trapped in my privy, and I can't get out.." </Saddam> ;)

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Posted 14 December 2003 - 11:52 AM

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Norville: I made post 9/11 comments to the effect of how people such as he should be killed by wild pigs, to make them haram and unable to go to paradise. Apparently, more-civilized people consider the vengeance in that thought to be repulsive, savage, and cruel

Me too. I'm a barbarian, but a cheerful one. ;).
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~~ Josh, winning the argument.

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Posted 14 December 2003 - 11:59 AM

Great news!!  Today will be a milestone for the rebuilding of Iraq.  We couldn't of captured him in a better way to damage his reputation more.

4th ID 1St Brigade Combat Team deserves a big hurrah for this one.  Hopefully the entire division will pick up a Presidential Unit Citation for this and what they’ve been through for the past few months.  Along with a heft amount of Army Commendation Medals and some Bronze Stars without the Vs for the 1st Brigade Combat Team.       
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Posted 14 December 2003 - 12:01 PM

Here's a diagram courtesy of the Beeb. It makes things a bit clearer. It's a miracle he was found.

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St. Louis must be destroyed!

Me: "I have a job and five credit cards and am looking into signing a two year lease.  THAT MAKES ME OLD."
Josh: "I don't have a job, I have ONE credit card, I'm stuck in a lease and I'm 28! My mom's basement IS ONE BAD DECISION AWAY!"
~~ Josh, winning the argument.

"Congress . . . shall include every idiot, lunatic, insane person, and person non compos mentis[.]" ~1 U.S.C. § 1, selectively quoted for accuracy.

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Posted 14 December 2003 - 12:03 PM

i'm guessing that with al the comments about having the man wrapped in pigs skin and such that we are descending to his level.

ah well,

is there any word on when they are going to start trying him?

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