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#21 Rov Judicata

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Posted 21 January 2004 - 01:03 AM

ROFL Zack
St. Louis must be destroyed!

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Posted 21 January 2004 - 01:04 AM

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And you should see the collection of nail clippers they've confiscated from 80 year old grandmothers!

LMAO!

Sigworthy, that is.... may I? ;) :devil:
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Posted 21 January 2004 - 01:05 AM

Javert Rovinski, on Jan 20 2004, 09:31 PM, said:

Moving this to Ot, btw.... if that's a problem, let me know, but this seems decidedly political.
Thanks Rov, I was thinking that too, just have been having lots of problems getting pages loaded!
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Posted 21 January 2004 - 01:07 AM

I think my fave part about Zack's link is that it advertises Buffy and Angel.   :devil:
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Posted 21 January 2004 - 01:10 AM

Anakam, on Jan 20 2004, 11:04 PM, said:

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And you should see the collection of nail clippers they've confiscated from 80 year old grandmothers!

LMAO!

Sigworthy, that is.... may I? ;) :devil:
Go ahead. :D.

And APOTS GiGi. :cool:.
St. Louis must be destroyed!

Me: "I have a job and five credit cards and am looking into signing a two year lease.  THAT MAKES ME OLD."
Josh: "I don't have a job, I have ONE credit card, I'm stuck in a lease and I'm 28! My mom's basement IS ONE BAD DECISION AWAY!"
~~ Josh, winning the argument.

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Posted 21 January 2004 - 01:39 AM

It looks like I'm not alone.

Andrew Sullivan is right of myself.. I think "center right" would be the appropriate term, although the main exception is that he's a big supporter of gay rights. (He's gay himself, actually).

http://www.andrewsul...466119356062536

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If you're a fiscal conservative or a social liberal, this was a speech that succeeded in making you take a second look at the Democrats. I sure am.

I love American politics. There's been a radical shift in fortune in the past two weeks. I have no idea what November is going to look like, but it's going to be a wild ride.
St. Louis must be destroyed!

Me: "I have a job and five credit cards and am looking into signing a two year lease.  THAT MAKES ME OLD."
Josh: "I don't have a job, I have ONE credit card, I'm stuck in a lease and I'm 28! My mom's basement IS ONE BAD DECISION AWAY!"
~~ Josh, winning the argument.

"Congress . . . shall include every idiot, lunatic, insane person, and person non compos mentis[.]" ~1 U.S.C. § 1, selectively quoted for accuracy.

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Posted 21 January 2004 - 01:48 AM

Not word one concerning his Moon/Mars initiative.

But a wise man said that absence of evidence does not mean evidence of absence.

But a recent poll had a majority not wanting to go to the Moon or Mars.

Oh well.

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Edited by Smitty, 21 January 2004 - 01:49 AM.


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Posted 21 January 2004 - 01:49 AM

Just making sure of something are those who might be upposed to the gay marriage issue are they going to be bashed?  I get the impression that they are indeed going to be.  I thought this was a country where these issues were talked about and then decided at the ballot box. If I am correct then maybe some starting here might be a good idea.


I personally do not see a problem about giving equal access to marriage. I do feel that anyone speaking about such an issue from the point of view of it being wrong is just as entitled as those who support it without being bashed for it. I accept that this needs to be worked out at a state by state level I also accept that there will be hotly contested issue but to go after anyone who supports either position is wrong.

#29 Kevin Street

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Posted 21 January 2004 - 02:03 AM

Smitty, on Jan 20 2004, 11:48 PM, said:

Not word one concerning his Moon/Mars initiative.

But a wise man said that absence of evidence does not mean evidence of absence.

But a recent poll had a majority not wanting to go to the Moon or Mars.

Oh well.
There are polls that show a majority of people think Elvis is alive, or that the government is covering up evidence of crashed UFOs. Statistics only tell part of the story. And an awful lot depends upon how the question is asked. If the pollster asks something like "Do you think we should go to the moon instead of improving Medicare?", people will probably say "Heck no!" But if you ask something like "Do you think we should make a return to the Moon and a trip to Mars a national goal?" many people would probably be in favour of it.

Imo, the moon/mars initiative is great idea. Probably the best idea this Administration has ever had. I really want to believe that Bush is sincere about this. But...

#30 Norville

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Posted 21 January 2004 - 02:23 AM

This speech was going on as I was getting off work, so I heard bits of the last 20 or so minutes. Only bits, because I frankly had to keep turning it off and spending the time talking to someone who was worth listening to, IMHO.

Yeah, no Moon/Mars initiative. I already don't believe his ideas here -- I'm a space exploration advocate since practically forever, but my skepticism about this amazes me. Yeah, you can really afford a major mission like this when we're doing the War Without End thing; how are you going to *finance* it? How are you going to finanace *anything*?

I just don't want to listen to Bush any longer. I've never much liked him (though I spent about 2 months in 2001, post-9/11, feeling oddly impressed by him), and don't trust him at all since his meeting with Vicente Fox of Mexico to legalize all the illegal aliens, basically act as if the US/Mexico border means nothing. I'd hope it was political suicide, except I'm not sure I like any of the Democrat candidates...

(Oh, combining the ideas of financing the space mission and the illegal aliens... I hit on this idea, then read a Letter to the Editor in a newspaper saying pretty much the same thing a few days later, which amused me. Perhaps we should outsource all the space jobs to India or some other cheap-labor place, such as is happening to practically everything, and use illegal aliens for our astronauts? :crazy: ;) )
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Posted 21 January 2004 - 02:28 AM

Well it will take a world effort to be honest.  It will mean finishing and making practical  Freedom Station.

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Posted 21 January 2004 - 02:49 AM

I wish the Republicians would split in two because I rather vote for a moderdate Republican (if there was a moderte Republican party) than a Democrat, but the regular Republicans (the ultra-conservative ones) I find I disagree with alot where I tend to agree with moderate Republicans who are the middle of the line between the Republicans and Democrats.   Sci-Fi fans could always unite and nominate Babylon 5 actor Jerry Doyle as a write-in candidate for president (Jerry ran for house of representives in California just a few years back and lost unfortunately.   I agreed with all of his stances since he was a moderate Republican and I rather see Jerry Doyle running the country than Bush or Kerry (God help is the Democrats nominate him for Presidential candidate)).

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Posted 21 January 2004 - 02:56 AM

Lyric Z D, on Jan 20 2004, 10:03 PM, said:

Una Salus Lillius, on Jan 21 2004, 03:01 AM, said:

"We must defend the sanctity of marriage".  HOMOPHOBIC BIGOTED ASSHOLIC BASTARD!!!!!!!!!!!!
Agreed.

Plus, giving money to churches? What about separation of church and state?
About the sanctity of marriage BS...I have to agree with Lil. About your question of seperation of Church and State....You don't think he follows that, do you? This is Bush we're talking about.
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Posted 21 January 2004 - 02:57 AM

Una Salus Lillius, on Jan 21 2004, 12:34 AM, said:

And if I hear one more reference to HOMELAND SECURITY I will teach people a new meaning to Godwinizing a thread.  With a little ORWELL thrown in.  :wacko:
LMAO! I simply have to do this...it's the principle....LOL.

HOMELAND SECURITY

*Runs out of the thread before Lil can smite him, laughing evilly*
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#35 Kevin Street

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Posted 21 January 2004 - 02:58 AM

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ultraviolet:
Sci-Fi fans could always unite and nominate Babylon 5 actor Jerry Doyle as a write-in candidate for president (Jerry ran for house of representives in California just a few years back and lost unfortunately. I agreed with all of his stances since he was a moderate Republican and I rather see Jerry Doyle running the country than Bush or Kerry (God help is the Democrats nominate him for Presidential candidate)).

Heh, I'm watching a Babylon 5 DVD right now, so your idea is putting some very weird images into my head. :alien:

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You're absolutely right, G. And it would be wonderful if we all did get together to do this. That would be a real path towards a hopeful future. International cooperation towards achieving a huge goal that's just beyond our reach. And once we reached Mars, what else might we do next...

:)

Edited by Kevin Street, 21 January 2004 - 03:00 AM.

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Posted 21 January 2004 - 03:04 AM

Gack, no.  The world needs one or two countries to actually lead the way before this actually gets done.  For one thing for it to even have a chance to survive the bickering and diplomacy, not to mention national budget cuts, involved in an international effort, they need to at least have something working first so that no one can say that it's impossible when it runs overschedule and overbudget, as it will.
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Posted 21 January 2004 - 03:22 AM

Okay, let's defend the 'sanctity' of marriage. Let's get rid of 24-hour chapels where people like Spears can get married on a whim. It's ironic that she can get a marriage and an annulment on the spur of the moment while two people committed to each other have to go to Canada.

Edited by QuantumFlux, 21 January 2004 - 03:25 AM.

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Posted 21 January 2004 - 04:10 AM

Kevin Street, on Jan 21 2004, 01:58 AM, said:

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Sci-Fi fans could always unite and nominate Babylon 5 actor Jerry Doyle as a write-in candidate for president (Jerry ran for house of representives in California just a few years back and lost unfortunately. I agreed with all of his stances since he was a moderate Republican and I rather see Jerry Doyle running the country than Bush or Kerry (God help is the Democrats nominate him for Presidential candidate)).

Heh, I'm watching a Babylon 5 DVD right now, so your idea is putting some very weird images into my head. :alien:
NOOOOOOO! We just escaped from under the heel of President Clark a few years ago! Let's not let B5 near the Presidency again!

The current Republican Party, ultra-conservative extremists? Ya right. Pick 10 Congressional decisions at random from the last 20 years and count how many from either party "broke ranks". The RINOs outnumber the DINOs by a ratio of several to one, easily, even when the Republicans are the minority. Liberal measures always have almost complete Democrat support and a significant number of Republicans too, while conservative measures seldom get more than 4/5 of the Republicans behind it. No, what we've got is a hardcore leftist party (Democrats) and a mildly liberal or centrist party (Republicans) that just keeps getting called ultra-super-mega-hyper-extremist-right-wingtip by the other party just for not being hardcore leftists like them.

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Posted 21 January 2004 - 10:47 AM

Lyric Z D, on Jan 20 2004, 09:11 PM, said:

Una Salus Lillius, on Jan 21 2004, 03:07 AM, said:



You know what sucks? America will love it.  They will lap it up like meek little dogs being tossed a bunch of empty bones.  No one will ask, "well that's nice but HOW?  And WHO is paying for this?  And what about separation of church and state?  And who the f*ck cares if two people want to get married and they aren't hurting anyone."  They'd rather be in denial in their little cocoons.  God this disgusts me.
Actually, I always observe the opposite...everybody hates him, everybody doubts him...media goes nuts trying to villianize him....

Who do you know who "laps it up like meek little dogs?"
Any of the mindless reich-wing avowed "Christians."   Like posters on Theologyonline or Jery Foulmouth....er...Falwell or Judge Moore.

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Posted 21 January 2004 - 11:07 AM

Javert Rovinski, on Jan 21 2004, 12:30 AM, said:

My apologies in advance if this is too bitter; I'm really fed up with Bush.
That was some good 'Hawking up there, Rov.

I'm proud of you. You should be.

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Edited by the 'Hawk, 21 January 2004 - 11:09 AM.

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