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#21 Lord of the Sword

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Posted 28 February 2004 - 12:34 PM

Got to love Big Brother. I can see the slogans now. "Come to America, land of the Free(as long as you say what we think is PC). Home of the Brave(Meaning nobody takes responsibility for their actions, let alone their children's actions).

I swear, this is BS. I do believe, IIRC, that Clear Channel broke their contract with Stern...IMO, Stern should sue them for a much as he can get...Several Billion sound just about right to me.

And NO, I'm not a Stern Fanatic...In fact, some of his skits I found offensive. Guess what Happened, I turned the radio channel  :eek3: Imagine that...I actually had the ability to turn the channel.

These people that called in to complain, IMO, have no frelling lives. Stern comes on what at 11pm or so on the East Coast? Who let's their children stay up that late to begin with? If a parent did let their child stay up that late...IMO, it's not a very resposnible parent.

And since when did the "Right not to be offended" becomes part of the Constitution?

Grrrrrrrr *leaves the thread before he does something drastic to the PC crowd*
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Posted 28 February 2004 - 01:08 PM

From what I understand it was because of something that the guy he was interviewing said.  You can't control what people say in an interview; you ask the questions and they answer.  

Granted, Howard has offended me at times but I just turn the radio off or switch channels.

Usually, I can laugh but even if I do get offended, I don't get indignant about it.  I just go on.  You can't get through life without getting offended.

Plus, he does like to push people's buttons and stir things up.  I enjoy a little of that myself.  
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Posted 28 February 2004 - 02:28 PM

LORD of the SWORD, on Feb 28 2004, 12:32 PM, said:

I do believe, IIRC, that Clear Channel broke their contract with Stern...
I don't know - I haven't seen the contract.  Most have some sort of "buyout clause".

Are you saying that Stern has the right to say what he wants, but Clear Channel has no right to broadcast what they want on the stations they own?  Yes, people can change the channel, but Clear Channel's business suffers from that - don't they have the right to change what they're broadcasting if they determine that they can do better?

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Posted 28 February 2004 - 02:34 PM

LotS, are you saying that there shouldn't be any standards for what goes over the public airwaves?
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Posted 28 February 2004 - 02:36 PM

Rhys, on Feb 28 2004, 11:26 AM, said:

don't they have the right to change what they're broadcasting if they determine that they can do better?
Of course they do.
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Posted 28 February 2004 - 03:36 PM

Complaints about objectionable content are so often casually dismissed with "its what the public wants".  But when the public gets tired of the excess and opinion shifts toward more restraint, somehow it becomes a matter of "Big Brother" and "censorship". It's the same process both ways... supply and demand. When the public was more tolerant, Clear Channel was willing to run the risks associated with airing the shock jock's inflammatory programming. The recent public backlash against such programming has lit a fire under the FCC, who act on public complaint. As a result, Clear Channel has decided it's not worth the risk any longer. That's a purely business decision on their part, and one I believe they're entitled to make. Government control and censorship doesn't enter into it any more than it ever did. I think the public is just asking for a return to responsible broadcasting.

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Posted 28 February 2004 - 03:46 PM

LORD of the SWORD, on Feb 28 2004, 11:32 AM, said:

Got to love Big Brother. I can see the slogans now. "Come to America, land of the Free(as long as you say what we think is PC). Home of the Brave(Meaning nobody takes responsibility for their actions, let alone their children's actions).
The error in your thinking is that you're treating a private company like a government agency, which means treating a business decision that they have every right to make like a government imposition that would have been forbidden.

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Clear Channel broke their contract with Stern...
Employers' contracts with their employees in this kind of situation routinely contain clauses that give the employer the option to cease using the employee's services, as long as a specified compensation is still given to the employee.

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IMO, Stern should sue them for a much as he can get...Several Billion sound just about right to me.
That wold be many times more than "as much as he can get" from the company; get a grip on reality here.

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And NO, I'm not a Stern Fanatic...In fact, some of his skits I found offensive. Guess what Happened, I turned the radio channel  :eek3: Imagine that...I actually had the ability to turn the channel.
Nobody's claiming otherwise, so this is irrelevant.

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These people that called in to complain, IMO, have no frelling lives. Stern comes on what at 11pm or so on the East Coast? Who let's their children stay up that late to begin with?
As has already been explained, no he does NOT just come on only at such times. Even if that is when his show ORIGINALLY airs, that's irrelevant, because most stations that play it play it as a recorded program the next morning while people are going to work or school.

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If a parent did let their child stay up that late...IMO, it's not a very resposnible parent.
That is yet another irrelevancy. The company is free to respond to whatever perceived market pressures its managers feel inclined to respond to.

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And since when did the "Right not to be offended" becomes part of the Constitution?
Since when did this case have anything to do with the Constitution? Nobody's claiming that any Constitutional rights have been violated.

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Posted 28 February 2004 - 11:17 PM

Rhys, on Feb 28 2004, 02:26 PM, said:

LORD of the SWORD, on Feb 28 2004, 12:32 PM, said:

I do believe, IIRC, that Clear Channel broke their contract with Stern...


Are you saying that Stern has the right to say what he wants, but Clear Channel has no right to broadcast what they want on the stations they own?  Yes, people can change the channel, but Clear Channel's business suffers from that - don't they have the right to change what they're broadcasting if they determine that they can do better?

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Not at all.  Of course they have the right. :)   I just think that people can't expect to go through life and never be offended.  It's all in how you deal with it, though, that's all I'm saying. :)
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Posted 28 February 2004 - 11:45 PM

I'm completely with Delvo on this one.  A person can go on about freedom of speech and censorship all he or she likes... but this boils down to a business decision.  Whether Howard Stern is a crude shock jock or a daring speaker on the edge hardly matters here--it's what Clear Channel's clients (and advertisers) want and don't want.  If they get too many complaints, clients will stop listening, and advertisers will pull their ads.  And then, bye-bye Clear Channel (<-- very exaggerated, I know, with CC's billions of dollars).

Now, if there was contract violation, that would be something else altogether.  With a guy like Howard Stern, though, I imagine Clear Channel built into his contract something like "piss our clients off too much and you're gone".  

I really can't see what the huge issue here is, anyway.  No one's arresting Stern for his words or suing him.  Now there would be something fun! :D (to debate, not to see happen.  Well, maybe a little of both)
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Posted 28 February 2004 - 11:46 PM

Rhys, on Feb 28 2004, 02:26 PM, said:

I don't know - I haven't seen the contract.  Most have some sort of "buyout clause".

Are you saying that Stern has the right to say what he wants, but Clear Channel has no right to broadcast what they want on the stations they own?  Yes, people can change the channel, but Clear Channel's business suffers from that - don't they have the right to change what they're broadcasting if they determine that they can do better?

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I haven't seen the contract either, so am not positive about how much Clear Channel would have to pay out.

As for Clear Channel having a right to air programs they wish...Of course they do. And, if they had been *smart* they'd simple have either let his contract expire and not renew it...or say words to the affect: "We've decided to drop your contract in favor of another show, ect"

The mere fact that they came out and said it was because of Stern himself opens then up to this type of criticism...and potential discrimination lawsuit by Stern, if he choose to file...and I hope he does.

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The error in your thinking is that you're treating a private company like a government agency,

Good Point.

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Since when did this case have anything to do with the Constitution? Nobody's claiming that any Constitutional rights have been violated.

Ah, but apparently it does. Since Clear Channel said they are dropping him for objectionable content. Translated, they don't want to offend anyone. I ask again? When was the right not to be offended added to the Bill of Rights?

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LotS, are you saying that there shouldn't be any standards for what goes over the public airwaves?

I'm against censorship. As for standars for what goes over the public airwaves...that should be left up to the company. Apparently they didn't have a problem airing Stern before. But after the Jackson stunt...now all of a sudden Stern has become a Pariah to them...That is BS. And Discriminatory to boot.
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Posted 28 February 2004 - 11:51 PM

Discriminatory? :blink:  I'm really not being sarcastic when I ask how they're discriminating against him?

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Posted 28 February 2004 - 11:53 PM

^ They could be using 'objectionable content' as a front for 'not making any money anymore', for all we know.

He may have pissed so many people off that they're taking him down the way so many people who hate him have longed to see him taken down-- hoist on his own petard, so to speak.

Things I learned from watching Tribune: Corporations never say what they mean. Clear Channel is a corporation. The Constitution's not even coming into play for me.

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Posted 29 February 2004 - 12:36 AM

LORD of the SWORD, on Feb 28 2004, 11:44 PM, said:

And, if they had been *smart* they'd simple have either let his contract expire and not renew it...or say words to the affect: "We've decided to drop your contract in favor of another show, ect"
So, they should try to avoid offending anyone?

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Posted 29 February 2004 - 02:08 AM

LORD of the SWORD, on Feb 28 2004, 10:44 PM, said:

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Since when did this case have anything to do with the Constitution? Nobody's claiming that any Constitutional rights have been violated.

Ah, but apparently it does. Since Clear Channel said they are dropping him for objectionable content. Translated, they don't want to offend anyone. I ask again? When was the right not to be offended added to the Bill of Rights?
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Posted 29 February 2004 - 10:25 PM

LORD of the SWORD, on Feb 28 2004, 10:44 PM, said:

As for standards for what goes over the public airwaves...that should be left up to the company.
Ummm . . . crazy idea here, but shouldn't the standards for the public airwaves be up to . . . the public?
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Posted 29 February 2004 - 10:31 PM

Drew, on Feb 29 2004, 10:23 PM, said:

LORD of the SWORD, on Feb 28 2004, 10:44 PM, said:

As for standards for what goes over the public airwaves...that should be left up to the company.
Ummm . . . crazy idea here, but shouldn't the standards for the public airwaves be up to . . . the public?
That would be nice, but for truely to up to the public, they should get rid of the FCC. :o
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Posted 01 March 2004 - 02:11 AM

I'm curious--for those who are upset about Stern's suspension, what alternative would you rather see?  Does Clear Channel have an obligation to keep him on the air despite a possible loss of listeners and advertisers if not required by his contract?  Should they find something more "concrete", more acceptable to you as grounds for suspension?  

Private company's radio depends on public support--should they simply ignore the complaints of that public and tell them to get over it, that they're bound to be offended by life anyway?  Or do you think that it is too small a segment of the public for their complaints to really matter much?

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Posted 01 March 2004 - 09:15 AM

DWF, on Feb 29 2004, 09:29 PM, said:

Drew, on Feb 29 2004, 10:23 PM, said:

LORD of the SWORD, on Feb 28 2004, 10:44 PM, said:

As for standards for what goes over the public airwaves...that should be left up to the company.
Ummm . . . crazy idea here, but shouldn't the standards for the public airwaves be up to . . . the public?
That would be nice, but for truely to up to the public, they should get rid of the FCC. :o
The FCC is a government (aka "public") body. It's not a private company.
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Posted 01 March 2004 - 09:34 AM

So DWF after we get rid of the FCC ( Afterall it's the government) what say we put on TV a Hardcore Porn channel on the regular  airwaves. I mean the FCC prevents that. And the character on the soap opera who is playing a 16 yr girl who they tell us was raped now  they can show us (as close as the actress's contract permits) much as they want.

After all the FCC prevented this Now with it gone  the line " If it bleeds it leads" is the rule of thumb. You can have sitcomms where the guy who keeps getting lucky never has to just tell the guys in the bar about it the view can get to see it.

In fact sex selss so now we can see how trojans are suppose to be used and what they prevent.  Now is that going to happen all at once no  but tell me, if the networks can get away with showing naked women and more graphically violent or sexualy active scenes  would they do it if it made for more money?

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Posted 01 March 2004 - 05:08 PM

G1223, on Mar 1 2004, 09:32 AM, said:

So DWF after we get rid of the FCC ( Afterall it's the government) what say we put on TV a Hardcore Porn channel on the regular  airwaves. I mean the FCC prevents that. And the character on the soap opera who is playing a 16 yr girl who they tell us was raped now  they can show us (as close as the actress's contract permits) much as they want.

After all the FCC prevented this Now with it gone  the line " If it bleeds it leads" is the rule of thumb. You can have sitcomms where the guy who keeps getting lucky never has to just tell the guys in the bar about it the view can get to see it.

In fact sex selss so now we can see how trojans are suppose to be used and what they prevent.  Now is that going to happen all at once no  but tell me, if the networks can get away with showing naked women and more graphically violent or sexualy active scenes  would they do it if it made for more money?
Where were the FCC when millions of people saw Janet Jackson's breast, where were they when somebody can say "sh*t" or "f*ck" on the broadcast airwaves?
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