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#41 Drew

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Posted 01 March 2004 - 05:27 PM

DWF, on Mar 1 2004, 04:06 PM, said:

Where were the FCC when millions of people saw Janet Jackson's breast, . . .
They were busy responding to the millions of angry letters and phone calls.  :cool:

But let's be clear here. The FCC cannot prevent such things from happening except to the extent that their reputation precedes them. (Similarly, all the law enforcement officers in the world can't prevent a man from murdering his wealthy uncle. They can only respond to the act.) If the FCC has a reputation for being lax about offensive material (and it does) and levies no fines at those who allow obscenity out over the public airwaves (and quite often it doesn't), then more broadcasters will feel that they, too, can help contribute to the coarsening of society. To my knowledge, laws about broadcasting (and it's been quite awhile since my broadcast law classes*) haven't changed much, but the FCC is seen as a pretty toothless agency. Perhaps now, with a bit of well-placed public pressure, the FCC will feel empowered to act against broadcasters who violate community standards.

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*I still remember Dr. Bob hammering home the notion that the FCC will fine you if you let obscenity out over the air, although such a notion seems quaint in the current climate.
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#42 Lord of the Sword

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Posted 01 March 2004 - 06:18 PM

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So, they should try to avoid offending anyone?

Obviously that's what Clear Channel is trying to accomplish...Since they stated the reason they're banning Stern is because of "Objectionable Content"

What they don't realize though, or haven't bothered to learn, is that you can't please everyone all the time.

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Ummm . . . crazy idea here, but shouldn't the standards for the public airwaves be up to . . . the public?

And what if the Public said they wanted to hear Stern? Do you think for one second Clear Channel would admitt they were wrong and put him back on? And, even if they were willing, if I was Stern I'd tell them to take a flying F**k.

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Does Clear Channel have an obligation to keep him on the air despite a possible loss of listeners and advertisers if not required by his contract?

Yes they have an obligation...It's called a legal contract. If they want to violate that, then they should have to pay out the maximum amount for the buy out of the contract. And I for one hope it's a lot they have to pay out.
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#43 Kevin Street

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Posted 01 March 2004 - 06:33 PM

Drew, on Mar 1 2004, 03:25 PM, said:

Perhaps now, with a bit of well-placed public pressure, the FCC will feel empowered to act against broadcasters who violate community standards.
After their overeaction to the Janet Jackson thing, the FCC looks pretty foolish. I think they blew about a decade's worth of credibility on that one, and won't be much of a factor in things for a while. Imo, they're a bit like the senile old codger at the family reunion who doesn't seem to realize it's not 1953. "She showed her BOOB in public! By cracky, this world is going to Hell in a handbasket! That kind of rampant obscenity will not be tolerated! Where's my cane?"

As for Howard Stern... Eh, I don't care much either way. If the profit hungry legal lizards at Clearchannel think that dumping Stern will cover their behinds...well, whatever. I never cared for his show anyway.

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Posted 01 March 2004 - 06:45 PM

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You think?  I think the FCC is ramping up more than ever.  It may only be a boob to you and some others, but the boob was a big deal to millions of people, thousands of whom called.  Even if the FCC feels foolish about it, and there's no evidence that they do, they can't very well ignore the complaints.  (Although they are free not to act on them, as they have shown in the past...)
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#45 Kevin Street

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Posted 01 March 2004 - 06:59 PM

But it's just that...well, the decency ship has sailed, imo. I think we (the US, Canada, and the whole "western" world) are well into a society where, for good or bad, sex and nudity are everywhere. I mean, you and I are communicating on the Internet, a medium where absolutely anyone can access an endless stream of pictures depicting naked women and sex acts of every kind imaginable. And in Canada and the US (at least), the porn industry has gone mainstream. I don't know the exact figures, but I heard that Americans spend more on porn than they do on movies. Just twenty years ago, this stuff only used to be available under the counter at certain seedy looking bookstores in the worst part of town, but now it's omnipresent and freely available.

I think we're past the point where legal guardians like the FCC can seriously talk about cleaning up the airwaves. Now it's more a matter of managing the flow, and keeping the worst of it away from vulnerable people like kids until they're old enough to handle it.

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Posted 01 March 2004 - 07:15 PM

Well I don't think that the latest attempt to "clean up the airwaves" is anything more than what you are saying in terms of removing the vulnerability to certain groups.  No one, that I am aware of, on the FCC is trying to outlaw porn, per se.  The problem is that in certain things like the Super Bowl, which is granted, not exactly what I'd pick for family entertainment, is still billed as that.  So, if they are billing it that way, and we still get real T&A, there's something that needs to be addressed.

The problem is that we dropped the firm standards we used to have, so now *any* standard that we try and write is going to look absurd.  That's my problem on a lot of things these days from porn to abortion.  We've discarded firm definitions of certain things like personhood, ethics, and public decency, in favor of more freedom of action, but at the same time, we've hit the ice-patch where anything we do to reasonably restrict anything is considered to be "too restrictive" or ignored or part of an "agenda".  That's a real problem.
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Posted 02 March 2004 - 01:40 PM

Kevin Street, on Mar 1 2004, 05:31 PM, said:

Drew, on Mar 1 2004, 03:25 PM, said:

Perhaps now, with a bit of well-placed public pressure, the FCC will feel empowered to act against broadcasters who violate community standards.
After their overeaction to the Janet Jackson thing, the FCC looks pretty foolish. I think they blew about a decade's worth of credibility on that one, and won't be much of a factor in things for a while.
On the contrary. I think the Boob was a wake-up call.

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Imo, they're a bit like the senile old codger at the family reunion who doesn't seem to realize it's not 1953.

I didn't realize that there was a statute of limitations on obscenity. So you're saying that full frontal nudity should be acceptable for broadcast television by, . . . when? 2027?

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"She showed her BOOB in public! By cracky, this world is going to Hell in a handbasket! That kind of rampant obscenity will not be tolerated! Where's my cane?"

Okay, so if the world's going to hell in a handbasket, can't we have a nicer handbasket?

As for my cane, I'm going to beat you over the head with it if you suggest one more time that the only people with a sense of modesty or propriety are old codgers.

So, you're in favor of the coarsening of society, eh? So you think that we need more stations who bravely broadcast tales of anal sex, and have no compunctions about frequent use of racial slurs, eh?

Edited by Drew, 02 March 2004 - 01:42 PM.

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#48 Bad Wolf

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Posted 02 March 2004 - 01:47 PM

Drew, on Mar 2 2004, 10:38 AM, said:

So you think that we need more stations who bravely broadcast tales of anal sex
Ah Drew.  You had me until this.  I know you don't approve of homosexuality but to equate the depiction of gay love as something comparable to racial slurs...

*sigh*   :whatsthat:
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Posted 02 March 2004 - 01:48 PM

Kevin Street, on Mar 1 2004, 05:57 PM, said:

But it's just that...well, the decency ship has sailed, imo. I think we (the US, Canada, and the whole "western" world) are well into a society where, for good or bad, sex and nudity are everywhere. . . . I think we're past the point where legal guardians like the FCC can seriously talk about cleaning up the airwaves. Now it's more a matter of managing the flow, and keeping the worst of it away from vulnerable people like kids until they're old enough to handle it.
That's a very defeatest, nihilistic attitude. The horse may be out of the barn, but we can still call it back and shut the barn door.
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Posted 02 March 2004 - 01:51 PM

Una Salus Lillius, on Mar 2 2004, 12:45 PM, said:

Drew, on Mar 2 2004, 10:38 AM, said:

So you think that we need more stations who bravely broadcast tales of anal sex
Ah Drew.  You had me until this.  I know you don't approve of homosexuality but to equate the depiction of gay love as something comparable to racial slurs...
I am referring to Clear Channel's recent actions, which had to do with discussions of anal sex on the "Bubba the Love Sponge" program, and the use of the N-word on Howard Stern's program. That's why I used those two examples. There was no "moral equivalency" intended.

But I find it curious that people seem to think we need more of this stuff on the public airwaves.

Edited by Drew, 02 March 2004 - 01:58 PM.

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Posted 02 March 2004 - 01:59 PM

Drew, on Mar 2 2004, 10:49 AM, said:

I am referring to Clear Channel's recent actions, which had to do with discussions of anal sex on some program out of Florida, and the use of the N-word on Howard Stern's program. That's why I used those two examples. There was no "moral equivalency" intended.
Drew how can you say you intend no "moral equivalency" when you admittedly are citing both as examples of the "coursening" of America?  Come now.

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But I find it curious that people seem to think we need more of this stuff on the public airwaves.

By "this stuff" are you referring to references to anal sex?  Or are you talking in generalities?

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Posted 02 March 2004 - 02:06 PM

Una Salus Lillius, on Mar 2 2004, 12:57 PM, said:

Drew, on Mar 2 2004, 10:49 AM, said:

I am referring to Clear Channel's recent actions, which had to do with discussions of anal sex on some program out of Florida, and the use of the N-word on Howard Stern's program. That's why I used those two examples. There was no "moral equivalency" intended.
Drew how can you say you intend no "moral equivalency" when you admittedly are citing both as examples of the "coursening" of America?  Come now.
(Sigh.) Lil, stop it. You're baiting, and you know it.

And you are also worldly enough to know that anal sex is not limited to homosexuals.  It's amazing that I, a good Christian boy, must explain that to you. :angel:

The associations being made are yours, not mine.

Edited by Drew, 02 March 2004 - 02:07 PM.

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Posted 02 March 2004 - 02:12 PM

Drew, on Mar 2 2004, 11:04 AM, said:

Una Salus Lillius, on Mar 2 2004, 12:57 PM, said:

Drew, on Mar 2 2004, 10:49 AM, said:

I am referring to Clear Channel's recent actions, which had to do with discussions of anal sex on some program out of Florida, and the use of the N-word on Howard Stern's program. That's why I used those two examples. There was no "moral equivalency" intended.
Drew how can you say you intend no "moral equivalency" when you admittedly are citing both as examples of the "coursening" of America?  Come now.
(Sigh.) Lil, stop it. You're baiting, and you know it.


I'm NOT baiting and YOU know it.  I quoted back your own words to you.  Are you now retracting what you said?

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And you are also worldly enough to know that anal sex is not limited to homosexuals.  It's amazing that I, a good Christian boy, must explain that to you. :angel:

Yes, but your opinions about homosexuality are well known on this board.  So you're just gonna have to deal with the fact that people put words in context based on who's speaking them.  

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The associations being made are yours, not mine.

Based on what I know about you.  It's a valid association Drew.

And you know it.  :p

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Posted 02 March 2004 - 02:15 PM

Lil, stop it. You're looking for a fight, and you're not getting one from me.
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Posted 02 March 2004 - 02:34 PM

:whistle:  :rolleyes:

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Posted 02 March 2004 - 04:00 PM

Drew, on Mar 2 2004, 11:13 AM, said:

Lil, stop it. You're looking for a fight, and you're not getting one from me.
Nah I'm not looking for a fight, but if you don't want to answer legitimate questions I can't force you.

I mean honestly I *know* where to look if I want to fight, don't I...

:whistle:  right back atcha Delvo.   :p
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Posted 02 March 2004 - 05:40 PM

Actually Lil the sponge man case Drew is quoting the DJ was talking about hertosexual  anal sex and this is what got him a 750,000 dollar fine as well as costing him his job. the Stern case was documented I think towards the begining of the thread. or at least on the first page of posts.

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Posted 02 March 2004 - 06:06 PM

Lil, please keep your remarks on topic. Remember, we're supposed to talk about the subject and not each other.



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