QF:^ Does Germany have the capability to manufacture the AMRAAM and Sidewinder? If not, the threat of us stopping selling them to Germany should keep them from selling them to China.
They don’t have the capability to produce the AMRAAM. That said China has proven pretty good at reverse engineering weapons technology so they might be able to do the same with the AMRAAM if they could get their hands on them. I would hope our threat of cutting sales to them would be sufficient to discourage such a course. If they did sellout the AMRAAM they could probably equip their F-4s with French missiles that are only slightly less capable than the AMRAAM. When it comes to something as valuable as the AMRAAM I don’t like the idea of trusting Germany to not be tempted to move ahead if they decided to. Selling off the AMRAAM would probably bring more than just the threat of cutting off the supply.
It would be a bad move for Germany in terms of ticking off the US but then France considering this isn’t much better.
Tennyson: Hmmm, I wasn't aware of those simulations.
I found a little on fas.org about it:
The F-15C has an air combat victory ratio of 95-0 making it one of the most effective air superiority aircraft ever developed. The US Air Force claims the F-15C is in several respects inferior to, or at best equal to, the MiG-29, Su-27, Su-35/37, Rafale, and EF-2000, which are variously superior in acceleration, maneuverability, engine thrust, rate of climb, avionics, firepower, radar signature, or range. Although the F-15C and Su-27P series are similar in many categories, the Su-27 can outperform the F-15C at both long and short ranges. In long-range encounters, with its superiorr radar the Su-27 can launch a missile before the F-15C does, so from a purely kinematic standpoint, the Russian fighters outperform the F-15C in the beyond-visual-range fight. The Su-35 phased array radar is superior to the APG-63 Doppler radar in both detection range and tracking capabilities. Additionally, the Su-35 propulsion system increases the aircraft’s maneuverability with thrust vectoring nozzles. Simulations conducted by British Aerospace and the British Defense Research Agency compared the effectiveness of the F-15C, Rafale, EF-2000, and F-22 against the Russian Su-35 armed with active radar missiles similar to the AIM-120 Advanced Medium Range Air-to-Air Missile (AMRAAM). The Rafale achieved a 1:1 kill ratio (1 Su-35 destroyed for each Rafale lost). The EF-2000 kill ratio was 4.5:1 while the F-22 achieved a ratio of 10:1. In stark contrast was the F-15C, losing 1.3 Eagles for each Su-35 destroyed.
Tennyson: The last time I checked the first Rafales were operating with Mirage 2000 radar because their dedicated radar wasn't ready yet and they were planning a gradual phase in of capabilities and they couldn't use MICA so they were being loaded with older AAMs. But they may have dealt with the problems by now.
I think the fully capable version of the Rafale is set for delivery in 2007. So the current ones are still using the Mirage 2000 radar. Even in that form they would be dangerous to the F-16 and F-15. The good news is if the F/A-22 stays on track we should have a fair number of Raptors in service by then.
Tennyson: I can't remember but was Rafale supposed to have an infared search and track system?
From what I can find they have a Thales/SAGEM OSF infrared search and track system.
Tennyson: I know this is the variant Greece, Poland and the UAE are buying although I'm not sure if the Air Force is going to do much with it. But the older variants wouldn't be able to hold thier own definitely and the F-15 is in worse shape since it hasn't had a major upgrade since the attempt to bring all the radars up to F-15E AN/APG-70 standard.
I doubt we will see many F-16E/F variants for the USAF since the JSF is supposed to replace it. And I agree on the older variants of both the F-15 and F-16. I doubt their ability to hold up to even the current Rafale much less what we will see in 2007.
Tennyson: The Su-35 is really that good?
Depends on who you ask... I would give it a win over the F-16 and F-15 close in. At medium ranges I think a F-15 and F-16 can still take it out. Problem is the SU-35 is pretty good in long range engagements and supposedly can engage before the F-15 and F-16 can.
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