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#1 Delvo

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Posted 21 April 2004 - 08:21 PM

About a week ago (most recently, but not the first time), I heard Kerry saying that taxpayers are paying more money now than they were without the tax cuts. He said that although Federal taxes were lower, state and local taxes had gone up a lot. He was using this as a criticism of Bush and the Federal tax cuts, and there's no way it can qualify as such a criticism unless the lower Federal tax rate CAUSED the higher lower-level rax rates.

So, how is that causative process supposed to happen? These government entities are, after all, separate things that make their own decisions independently.

#2 QueenTiye

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Posted 21 April 2004 - 08:28 PM

Local municipalities look to the federal government to fund stuff, and if taxes are cut, aid to local municipalities are also cut.

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#3 Delvo

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Posted 21 April 2004 - 09:07 PM

That could work if Federal SPENDING had been cut, but spending and taxes aren't the same; one's been cut while the other's grown rather quickly.

And it would also take time, which we really haven't had since the Federal cuts, especially those of any significant size, which were delayed after the small cuts in the first year of the plan.

And it counts on direct correlations not only between taxes and spending but also between spending and actual important services, which don't exist.

And it presumes that Federal and lower-level governments do the same things and overlap each other so that a shortfall in one can be made up for by a boost in another, which is a bit like expecting a dairy farm to make up for a rise in the cost of iron ore.

And it counts on lower-level governments responding to this crunch in services not only rather rapidly for the political clock but in the same way, even though in most cases they couldn't because the votes wouldn't be there for it or their charters forbid it.

And he didn't say that the rises just made up for the cuts; he said they exceeded them, for which this explanation is inadequate.

BTW, where are these increases in state and local taxes supposed to be happening? They aren't in my area.

Edited by Delvo, 21 April 2004 - 09:11 PM.


#4 QueenTiye

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Posted 21 April 2004 - 09:11 PM

For instance - in New York, public transportation costs rise practically every two years.  There are a couple of rails - Long Island RailRoad, MetroNorth and of course the New York City Subway system.  The MTA oversees all of this, and is always asking for funds in capital improvements.  They look to the state for this aid, but the state in turn looks to the Federal government.  If those funds don't come, then the costs are still incurred - but they are incurred in the form of fare increases.

In New Jersey, there's some kind of loan/grant that was looked for in my municipality to prevent rises in property taxes.  We didn't get it, so property taxes were set to go up, until the mayor found a way to restructure the debt.    These are two local examples that I know about.

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