Delvo, on Apr 23 2004, 05:39 PM, said:
That's completely different. A bit above there, y'all were talking about moral objections to the work, not a preference not to be in the same conditions yourself, and you were talking about professions that someone can only get into by choosing it and working toward it, not jobs that people end up in because they didn't get a better one, and which practically nobody could enjoy doing.
I don't think I've ever heard of anybody presuming garbagemen to be dirty, stinky, and/or foul, but I'll bet a great many would be dismissive of them as "failures at life" for having ended up in such an unenjoyable job that nobody would have ever chosen to pursue it through work and sacrifice.
It is. But I went there because Lil's
invocation of the Kaylee/Simon converstion invited it. Simon expressed distaste for the lifestyle of those who worked in Serenity, and she took offense. Well, I can understand her wanting the guy she's sweet on to fully appreciate everything about her, including her chosen profession, and the way she chooses to practice it, but to imply that he thinks less of her because he DOESN'T respect her profession or the way she practices it is just wrong - inherently unfair to Simon, who may see something else entirely in Kaylee that makes him think VERY highly of her (o.k. so, not so much with those two, but I'm in the hypothetical realm, and not REALLY talking about the show), just not the way SHE wants to be seen.
And, on the subject of "failure at life." I again disagree. Lots of people are in professions that they would not have chosen for themselves in the first place. But HOW they handle that set of circumstances, and HOW they come to be there makes a difference.
I know a few people who used to dig graves for a living. It was, at that time of their lives, the only work they could get, because of havng screwed up their lives so much prior. But note - they were getting these jobs on the UPSWING, not on the downswing. And while I can't say that I think much of grown people digging graves, work that seems like teenager first job work or somesuch, I can say 100% that I have a great deal of respect for the people who were willing to take that kind of work and any other kind of work in order to exercise the virtues of hardwork, discipline, and integrity into their lives. And I've seen some of these people go on from there to better professions. AND, it absolutely is a part of them that they were once gravediggers. They didn't get to be the people they are today
without having first been the people they were then