Edited by Kevin Street, 28 April 2004 - 07:59 PM.


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Posted 28 April 2004 - 06:51 PM
#42
Posted 28 April 2004 - 07:25 PM
The fact that it is an assault on the senses isn't nearly so hard to prove as the medical stuff is, and there's already a tradition of and precedent for laws against other kinds of assaults on the senses.
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Posted 28 April 2004 - 08:05 PM
#44
Posted 28 April 2004 - 08:10 PM


#45
Posted 28 April 2004 - 08:44 PM
Themis
#46
Posted 28 April 2004 - 08:49 PM
#47
Posted 28 April 2004 - 10:03 PM
Nick, on Apr 28 2004, 10:05 PM, said:
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Smoke where you like, dude, just so long as none of your stuff gets into the air I'm about to breath. I have rights too.
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As for Asthma and other allergies...Certain perfumes can also trigger asthma attacks...you going to ban perfume next?
Actually, some places (mostly doctor's office's so far) are requesting that people not wear perfume out of respect for those patients who are sensitive to it.... and I've asked my supervisor to wear less when I'm going to be working with her.
So, yeah, sorta.

From what I've read, most pollution problems are really a lack of interest in being healthful and far too much interest in staying cheap. Yes, really. Considering how much cigs usually cost, I'd say they're one of the few exceptions.

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#48
Posted 28 April 2004 - 10:14 PM
Anakam, on Apr 28 2004, 11:01 PM, said:
I have to agree about the litter aspect, too. It infuriates me when I see someone toss a butt out a car window (all cars do have ashtrays...), and the piles of them on sidewalks everywhere...
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#49
Posted 29 April 2004 - 02:22 AM
‘Asthma’ is not a catchall phrase, different versions exist, with different severities, and different triggers. Talk to any 3 asthmatics, and odds are they will describe similar, but not identical symptoms, extremely variable effects (from a mild physical unease, to a life threatening fit that shuts downt he lungs ability to absorb oxygen) and trigger conditions ranging from temperature, to weight. So lumping it all together as ‘asthma’ does both smokers and asthmatics a disservice
If the temperature drops to sub-zero and the humidity is high, I garantuee you I’ll get an attack. On the other hand, if the temperature is hot, and it’s dry, not all the smoke from cigarettes or exhausts can do me in.
Having said that, I find cigarette smoking amongst the most disgusting habits mankind has, and the fact that it’s legal does nothing to change that. Smoke clings, to clothes, to people, and in areas long after a smoker has departed. What’s more, smokers by en large, don’t take non-smokers into consideration when lighting up in England. For instance recently I was at a covered busstop with a heavy wind from one direction, and a smoker came in, and lighted up
Did he go to the most downwind section of the covered busstop? Did he hell, he went right by the upwind door, and everyone else there then had to either smell his smoke, or move outside in the rain. He was a very typical example of an inconsiderate smoker.
I have many smokers as friends, heck, my father is a smoker, but smoking itself is revolting, irregardless of how I feel about the person. As far as smokers rights are concerned, their rights end at my personal space, and their ‘right’ to make my life miserable, ends at my personal space as well.
When I don’t smoke, I’m not fouling up the air, I’m not making their clothes or hair smell, and I’m not making them actively nauseus, unlike what they are doing to me.
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#50
Posted 29 April 2004 - 02:30 AM
#51
Posted 29 April 2004 - 06:13 AM
G1223, on Apr 28 2004, 04:15 PM, said:
#52
Posted 29 April 2004 - 06:14 AM
Rhys, on Apr 28 2004, 04:23 PM, said:
#53
Posted 29 April 2004 - 06:18 AM
G1223, on Apr 28 2004, 04:36 PM, said:
1) Even when there is smoke from these vehicles, they're providing transportation. All a cigarette does is poison people.
2) By taking a bus, people are using fewer cars, which means less pollution overall.
3) On modern gasoline buses, the exhaust is generally at the top of the bus and the exhaust rises - it's rarely any nuissance to anyone who is walking in the vicinity.
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Posted 29 April 2004 - 06:23 AM
#55
Posted 29 April 2004 - 06:25 AM
gaius claudius, on Apr 28 2004, 04:42 PM, said:
So basically what you're telling me is that I have to put up with your smoke in order to enjoy the steak that Dave wants to sell me. Hardly sounds fair. If Jim-Bob at the next table is loud and obnoxious, you'd complain to the management - they'd tell him to quiet down or leave, right? Why should smoking be allowed, when it obviously bothers and even kills other patrons?
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Posted 29 April 2004 - 06:29 AM
gaius claudius, on Apr 28 2004, 05:21 PM, said:
There are some people who just keep on pointing to smokers who don't get lung cancer and say "see - it doesn't cause lung cancer". Yes, the incidence of lung cancer among non-smokers who are exposed to second-hand smoke is less than that of smokers, but it's certainly greater than that of non-smokers who aren't exposed.
#57
Posted 29 April 2004 - 06:31 AM
gaius claudius, on Apr 28 2004, 05:48 PM, said:
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Posted 29 April 2004 - 06:34 AM
gaius claudius, on Apr 28 2004, 05:48 PM, said:
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#59
Posted 29 April 2004 - 06:38 AM
LORD of the SWORD, on Apr 28 2004, 11:21 PM, said:
#60
Posted 29 April 2004 - 06:41 AM
LORD of the SWORD, on Apr 28 2004, 11:35 PM, said:
As far as second-class citizen, that's what many smokers think of non-smokers - they say "you don't like my smoke, then tough - go someplace else".
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