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#1 Shaun

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Posted 09 May 2004 - 10:27 PM

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Mistreatment of Prisoners Is Called Routine in U.S.
By FOX BUTTERFIELD

Published: May 8, 2004
Physical and sexual abuse of prisoners, similar to what has been
uncovered in Iraq, takes place in American prisons with little public
knowledge or concern, according to corrections officials, inmates and
human rights advocates.

In Pennsylvania and some other states, inmates are routinely stripped
in front of other inmates before being moved to a new prison or a new
unit within their prison. In Arizona, male inmates at the Maricopa
County jail in Phoenix are made to wear women's pink underwear as a
form of humiliation.

At Virginia's Wallens Ridge maximum security prison, new inmates have
reported being forced to wear black hoods, in theory to keep them
from spitting on guards, and said they were often beaten and cursed
at by guards and made to crawl.

http://www.nytimes.c.../08PRIS.html?hp

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Posted 09 May 2004 - 11:20 PM

Hmm... These actions are just as wrong, hopefully they will stop, soon.
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Posted 09 May 2004 - 11:29 PM

Unlikely.  Let's face it- for the most part, the public doesn't really seem to care what happens to criminals once they are in prison.  And I'm sure that most of us aren't strangers to the concept that the particularly vile ones will "get what they deserve" once there.

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Posted 09 May 2004 - 11:37 PM

First of all I do not condone those actions in either venue.  The difference however is that American PRISONS are populated by CONVICTED CRIMINALS.  Many of the people in Iraq were "detainees".  Certainly not convicted of any wrongdoing.  I don't appreciate the continued attempts to excuse the atrocities that are at issue here  (Not you LR but people who write articles like this in an attempt to obfuscate the real issue).

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Posted 09 May 2004 - 11:41 PM

Who are you addressing?

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Posted 09 May 2004 - 11:43 PM

Lil's right...two almost totally seperate issues.

I don't want to see anyone treated like crap, but I have little sympathy for convicted criminals...especially those convicted of violent crimes like rape or murder.

The detainees, regardless of what you think of Arabs, enjoy certain rights under the UN Charter.  Our soldiers who have committed these atrocities are in fact war criminals.  They'll never see a UN courtroom though they WILL see a US Army court martial.
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Posted 09 May 2004 - 11:47 PM

Lord Ravensburg, on May 9 2004, 09:39 PM, said:

Who are you addressing?
The author of the article.  Yet another "well it happens elsewhere so it must be okay" kind of excuse.  Disgusting.  Again LR, *not* you.
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Posted 09 May 2004 - 11:48 PM

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In Arizona, male inmates at the Maricopa
County jail in Phoenix are made to wear women's pink underwear as a
form of humiliation.

I'm familar with the program. The inmates are also housed in surplus army tents. And work on chain-gangs, literally. It's a great program, and is sometimes used to try and 'scare straight' troubled teens. It has nothing to do with the abuse of prisoners in Iraq, and trying to compare the two is completely disproportionate.
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Posted 10 May 2004 - 12:05 AM

^Doesn't Sheriff Joe also pay his prisoners a nickel a day, that they have to use to buy their meals? (IIRC, a standard meal is a baloney and cheese sandwich)
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Posted 10 May 2004 - 01:06 AM

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In Arizona, male inmates at the Maricopa
County jail in Phoenix are made to wear women's pink underwear as a
form of humiliation. 

The chain gang part you mentioned seems alright to me, but the underwear thing strikes me as wrong...
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Posted 10 May 2004 - 07:43 AM

Una Salus Lillius, on May 9 2004, 11:35 PM, said:

Many of the people in Iraq were "detainees".  Certainly not convicted of any wrongdoing.
Actually, you're wrong. According to the taguba report, the "detainees" are Iraqi prisoners, namely accused of Iraqi on Iraqi crimes.
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Posted 10 May 2004 - 09:16 AM

Last time I checked, there was still supposed to be a difference between accusations and conviction, not to mention the fact that some of the people were detained for the flimsiest of reasons...
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Posted 10 May 2004 - 09:54 AM

Yeah damm us americans .  America should have the prison system of say China or better yet Russia. with Labor camps in Montana to keep snow cowered passes clear evn in the raging snow storms of Winter. I think ater the first 30 prisoners die of exposure a demand to go back to what we have would be the end resualt.

Name me a prison system that does not have it's share of abuse? One where the guards have not been know to take liberties of prisoners and beat the crap out of a prisoner for whatever reason? Name one that hasa 100% record of perfect care and no escapes?

Got a name yet? We can wait? Go look it up.
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Posted 10 May 2004 - 10:40 AM

LotS, some Abu Ghraib prisoners were accused of Iraqi on Iraqi crimes, some were accused of attacks on coalition forces, and some were being detained after being picked up in sweeps on the hopes that they could provide intelligence about the insurgency.  One of the contributing factors to the abuse was having such a mix of people under the authority of inexperienced soldiers without a lot of corrections experience.  The first soldier to be court martialed was a mechanic for his MP unit!  He never should have been involved in "preparing" detainees for interrogation.

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Posted 10 May 2004 - 11:02 AM

G1223, on May 10 2004, 02:52 PM, said:

Yeah damm us americans .  America should have the prison system of say China or better yet Russia. with Labor camps in Montana to keep snow cowered passes clear evn in the raging snow storms of Winter. I think ater the first 30 prisoners die of exposure a demand to go back to what we have would be the end resualt.

Name me a prison system that does not have it's share of abuse? One where the guards have not been know to take liberties of prisoners and beat the crap out of a prisoner for whatever reason? Name one that hasa 100% record of perfect care and no escapes?

Got a name yet? We can wait? Go look it up.
So is this what we've come to?  "The United States-- not quite as bad as Stalin's Russia or communist China."

The U.S. is the richest, best educated, most powerful country this planet has ever seen.  We can do better, and it's simply pathetic to treat every problem with "yeah, but country X is even worse" instead of treating it as an opportunity to do better.
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Posted 10 May 2004 - 11:13 AM

G1223, on May 10 2004, 03:52 PM, said:

Got a name yet? We can wait? Go look it up.
What are you suggesting G? Should we not even try because no one is perfect?

Should we accept these monstrous actions as okay because 'no one's perfect?

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Posted 10 May 2004 - 11:27 AM

MuseZack, on May 10 2004, 04:00 PM, said:

The U.S. is the richest, best educated, most powerful country this planet has ever seen.
Well but your leader doesn't belong to the best educated group. And I seriously doubt, the US is the best educated country. Can you prove that somehow?
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Posted 10 May 2004 - 11:38 AM

Gaheris, on May 10 2004, 04:25 PM, said:

MuseZack, on May 10 2004, 04:00 PM, said:

The U.S. is the richest, best educated, most powerful country this planet has ever seen.
Well but your leader doesn't belong to the best educated group. And I seriously doubt, the US is the best educated country. Can you prove that somehow?
I'm on record as being a non-fan of G.W. Bush, but he was educated by Yale and Harvard, two of the best universities on the planet.
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Posted 10 May 2004 - 11:47 AM

Yale and Harvard have indeed a good reputation. But I can't imagine George was well-educated there.

http://www.realchang...shjr.htm#quotes

You still presume he's well-educated?

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Posted 10 May 2004 - 11:47 AM

Cyberhippie, on May 10 2004, 04:11 PM, said:

G1223, on May 10 2004, 03:52 PM, said:

Got a name yet? We can wait? Go look it up.
What are you suggesting G? Should we not even try because no one is perfect?

Should we accept these monstrous actions as okay because 'no one's perfect?
Not in the least but I get a bit fed up with "America Bad" or "All America does is bad." I find myself thinking that a does of reality that we are all in the same place and that the pots are calling the kettle black.

Like the war on Iraq all we hear  from the media is about what is wrong what is not working. " When is the last time we had a story about refilling the marshlands which were facing extention or the fact that some communities are getting the first fresh running water in the history of the village? Or that road repairs are going along as expected.

It is what we are not hearing that is just as important, Yet we hear nothing but a soldier being killed but nothing about the towns getting medical care. Why becasue the media and it" it bleeds it Leads" mindset and a Anti-American attitude amongst the Media.
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