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#1 Rov Judicata

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Posted 12 May 2004 - 11:38 AM

http://www.reuters.c...storyID=5120562

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ORLANDO, Fla. (Reuters) - Democratic challenger John Kerry said on Wednesday his first choice as defense secretary would be Republican Sen. John McCain as he criticized the Bush administration for failed policies in Iraq.

Kerry slammed President Bush and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld for the abuse of Iraqi prisoners, their failure to build an international coalition and other "miscalculations surrounding this war."

Now, I've seen McCain talk in person, and I think his loyalty to Bush is somewhat shaky; despite that, this is probably still a long-shot. Further, as a former POW, McCain has the credibility to deal with the abuse scandal. McCain has also been a voice for sanity in the war, and that's something we need.

It's still unlikely, but it's an interesting hypothetical. Didn't Joe Liebarman try this a few months back?
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Posted 12 May 2004 - 02:20 PM

Not a bad idea, but I don't like that it's coming from Kerry. Sounds opportunistic.

Really, John McCain is one of very, very few American politicians who doesn't leave me shaking my head in disbelief that he got himself elected*. I still say McCain would've been a better president than Bush. The Republicans made a huge mistake in 2000. John Kerry won't correct it in 2004.

So, McCain 2008, anyone? I mean, he'll probably be running against Hillary.... he can't lose!

*and I'm fully aware of the "Bush didn't get elected!" joke-- the Supreme Court says otherwise, and I'll leave it at that.

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#3 Rhea

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Posted 12 May 2004 - 02:58 PM

I love it. But then, I would have voted for McCain as President anyway.

He'd make a great Secretary of Defense.
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Posted 12 May 2004 - 03:00 PM

When I saw this thread title, I thought it was going to be about someone suggesting that McCain replace Rumsfeld.  And I was going to post, "Hah, Bush dislikes him so much that his only shot at the job would be with the Kerry administration."

Then I open the thread and see that GMTA,  :devil:

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Posted 12 May 2004 - 03:53 PM

Kerry saying the exact same thing as usual. "I'd have waited till France Germany and Russia joined in with us against Iraq"

That happens as often as the Cubs will win a World Series.
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Posted 12 May 2004 - 04:04 PM

A SecDef McCain also gives President Kerry a twofer.  Not only does it provide a competent guy for the job and some needed bipartisanship, since Arizona has a Democratic governor (and is trending blue anyway) it also means a pickup in the Senate.
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Posted 12 May 2004 - 04:10 PM

Kerry hasn't even been elected and he is already proposing distarously stupid defense policies.  

Well if McCain makes it into the DOD I think we can all kiss the US Military bye.  McCain has such a wonderful record on defense issues.  He attacked the C-17 in an all out attempt to kill the program on his claim that it was nothing but pork and useless.  It turned out that the C-17 has been the best investment made by the USAF in recent years.  The C-17s are the best transport plane that we have and one of the few birds in the world that can airlift a Abrams.  You can rest assured despite the efforts of McCain the C-17s have been very busy supporting efforts in Iraq.

Oh anyone care for another stupid McCain action on defense?  He was part of the political coalition that has attacked the B-2 Bomber in the past as a weapons system that was not needed, over priced, and rather useless.  I'd love for McCain to now stand up and attempt that same claim after seeing how the B-2 performed in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Kosovo.  We can thank blockheads like McCain for the fact that we only have a handful of B-2s and not enough to even start to ease the burden on the now old BUFF.  Then what was is another weapons system that Senator McCain has attacked more recently?  He went after the new C-130J that is replacing the older C-130s in the fleet.  McCain's logic was that the USAF had enough C-130s and it is such brilliant logic considering the C-130s are all getting old and need replacement.  The C-130J has enhanced the performance of the aircraft in terms of range, cruise ceiling time to climb, speed and airfields that it can operate from.  

And what has Senator McCain turned his eyes on now?  The F/A-22 Raptor seems to be his latest attempt to toss common sense to the wind and kill a defense program we badly need.  Air superiority will be the linchpin of all US military operations for as long as we can see into the future.  The F/A-22 is the means to secure that goal.  So Senator McCain on defense issues obviously has his head stuck in the sand or has his head up his posterior as far as most of the democratic party on defense matters.  

I don't like Rumsfeld for many reasons and think many of his programs are wrong and will hinder the capability of the US Military.  That said I'll take Rummy any day over slash and burn McCain.  McCain in the past has attacked the C-130J, the B-2 Spirit, the C-17, and now the F/A-22.  This is not the guy we need operating the DOD.  He has proven himself wrong time and time again and he continues that tradition.

Once again if you want some real potential for a Sec Defense than look to Tommy Franks or Norman Schwarzkopf.  At least I have a feeling they would put their experience to use.

Edited by CJ AEGIS, 12 May 2004 - 04:13 PM.

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#8 Chipper

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Posted 12 May 2004 - 04:43 PM

McCain should be president.


Not Kerry.  Not Bush.

Not Hilary.
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Posted 12 May 2004 - 04:46 PM

^Hey, something we agree on. I wouldn't have voted for Hilary for Senator. Anyone who would let her husband humiliate her in public the way Clinton did and then stay with him in spite of it needs some *serious* therapy, IMO.  ;)
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Posted 13 May 2004 - 08:46 AM

I stumped for McCain when he ran against Bush - too Bad the Party picked the wrong guy - and Clinton had a republican SecDef (cohen) so their is precedent. If Kerry promised to put McCain in as SecDef I might just have to vote for Kerry instead of Nader.
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Posted 13 May 2004 - 09:58 AM

Chipper, on May 12 2004, 04:41 PM, said:

McCain should be president.
McCain has already attempted to do or has done enough damage to the national security of the US by being a senator.  :rolleyes:
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