

Should Religious Men & Women Hold Public Office?
#21
Posted 14 May 2004 - 12:47 PM
And I have a question for you, HM07 - what do you mean by "religious person?" Would that only mean people who belong to an organized religion, or could the category include anyone who has spiritual beliefs? Depending on how you define them, the latter category probably includes everyone, or nearly everybody.
#22
Posted 14 May 2004 - 12:49 PM
If this is, as you say, rooted in his deep seated religious beliefs, why has it only come up recently? I would imagine that if he were hell bent upon banning gay marriage for the motive you ascribe, he would have brought this up during his first campaign.
No, I daresay that he has come to his support of this amendment more through stopping what he sees as judicial activism run rampant, and not from a flaming sense of "homophobia".
#23
Posted 14 May 2004 - 12:52 PM
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But it doesn't carry that implication that the person so named has something wrong with them.
I like that term, though......heterosexism.
#24
Posted 14 May 2004 - 12:52 PM
Cyberhippie, on May 14 2004, 12:32 PM, said:
#25
Posted 14 May 2004 - 12:53 PM
~Cyn
edit for clarity
Edited by Cyncie, 14 May 2004 - 12:56 PM.
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#26
Posted 14 May 2004 - 12:53 PM
Una Salus Lillius, on May 14 2004, 06:35 PM, said:
#27
Posted 14 May 2004 - 12:54 PM
Cyncie, on May 14 2004, 12:35 PM, said:
It appears that what people want is a politician who will pay lip service to some sort of personal moral code, but never let that moral code affect their decision-making.
Which is patently ridiculous.
#28
Posted 14 May 2004 - 12:55 PM
Javert Rovinski, on May 14 2004, 10:41 AM, said:
Una Salus Lillius, on May 14 2004, 10:35 AM, said:
<And, you know, the term 'heterosexism' is so much more precise than homophobia. IMO. Just sayin'...>
But that doesn't change the fact that he's being motivated by his religious belieds. And don't toss that heterosexism crap at me either Rovvie. It's homophobia and you know it too.

Edited by Una Salus Lillius, 14 May 2004 - 12:57 PM.

#29
Posted 14 May 2004 - 12:56 PM
Cyberhippie, on May 14 2004, 01:51 PM, said:
Una Salus Lillius, on May 14 2004, 06:35 PM, said:
I wouldn't mind discussing those kinds of initiatives (that one and other faith-based initiatives promoted by Bush) and their relation to the Establishment clause elsewhere, but here, the question is a bit different...
HM07
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#30
Posted 14 May 2004 - 12:57 PM
Cyberhippie, on May 14 2004, 12:51 PM, said:
#31
Posted 14 May 2004 - 12:58 PM

HM07
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#32
Posted 14 May 2004 - 12:59 PM
Kevin Street, on May 14 2004, 01:45 PM, said:
HM07
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#33
Posted 14 May 2004 - 01:00 PM
Drew, on May 14 2004, 10:52 AM, said:
Cyncie, on May 14 2004, 12:35 PM, said:
It appears that what people want is a politician who will pay lip service to some sort of personal moral code, but never let that moral code affect their decision-making.
Which is patently ridiculous.
#34
Posted 14 May 2004 - 01:02 PM
Una Salus Lillius, on May 14 2004, 10:53 AM, said:
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I don't think so. As I recall, he was near Andrew Sullivan once, and he didn't run screaming. I honestly don't think he's afraid of homosexuals. What's more, I don't tihnk he's being motivated by his religious beliefs: To me, it smells of simple political oppurtunism. It is an effective wedge issue. If it wouldn't give him an electoral advantage, I doubt he would have brought it up.
Me: "I have a job and five credit cards and am looking into signing a two year lease. THAT MAKES ME OLD."
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~~ Josh, winning the argument.
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#35
Posted 14 May 2004 - 01:05 PM
Drew, on May 14 2004, 06:50 PM, said:
Cyberhippie, on May 14 2004, 12:32 PM, said:
Let's start with a Bushquote shall we?
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-- George W. Bush
Here he is saying that goverment funded organs of the state and goverment money should be used to promote one specific religion above others. He is claiming that Catholic upbringing makes one virtuous and by implication that those not raised that way are less virtuous.
this by the way comes from http://www.whitehous...0040109-10.html, hardly an 'anti-bush mouthpiece'
he provided religious schools with 8 Billion in 2003, how much will he provide in 2004?2005? beyond?
#36
Posted 14 May 2004 - 01:06 PM
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#37
Posted 14 May 2004 - 01:13 PM
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Considering that Bush is a Protestant, does that mean he is implying that his own religion is less virtuous?
#38
Posted 14 May 2004 - 01:20 PM
It's not necessarily a public office thing either. My church is pacifistic in practice, yet I killed Iraqis back in '91. I dealt with it.
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#39
Posted 14 May 2004 - 01:23 PM
He is not saying I am going to make all schools in America be Catholic or teach religion.
And the Vaguness goes on.
Lil Bush has purposed a constitition amendment banning gay marriages.
It may mean he is opposed becasue he thinks it's wrong. You know like we generally think Stealing is wrong. Homophobic to means a irrational Fear of homosexuals. But you attach that to anyone who disagrees about it being acceptable. Is it OK to start labeling people?
I'd leave it at Bush is opposed to gay marriage and wishes to change the constitition and Lil is opposed to his position.
Now as to playing with the Constitition for any reason bothers me unless a clear situation as occured.
Like lowering the age of voting to 18. At the time people were being called up for military service with no right to elect officals who might support or oppose the war.
Banning Slavery and a number of forms of indentured Servitude(The state can make use of Prison Labor and used to be able to but Hard Labor as part of the penalty.)
Granting women and minorites the right to Vote (Where before in places it had been banned)
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#40
Posted 14 May 2004 - 01:31 PM
Kevin Street, on May 14 2004, 12:58 PM, said:
Which is simply discrimination against religious people holding office.
Gode, I don't see how you are extrapolating the diverting government funds to Catholic schools from the quote you gave. It just isn't there.
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