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#21 JadziaDax

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Posted 18 June 2004 - 02:49 PM

Hey I have an idea.

Lets pull out, and let the idiots blast themselves into oblivion.

Problem solved.

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#22 Godeskian

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Posted 18 June 2004 - 02:59 PM

never mind. Not in this thread

Edited by Cyberhippie, 18 June 2004 - 03:17 PM.


#23 Kevin Street

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Posted 18 June 2004 - 03:01 PM

It's a sad ending. :(
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#24 Kosh

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Posted 18 June 2004 - 03:04 PM

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Stuff like this should only steel our resolve to utterly wipe them off the face of the earth.

A very Christian attitude.
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#25 Drew

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Posted 18 June 2004 - 03:07 PM

JadziaDax, on Jun 18 2004, 02:47 PM, said:

Hey I have an idea.

Lets pull out, and let the idiots blast themselves into oblivion.

Problem solved.
Pull out of where?
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#26 Bad Wolf

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Posted 18 June 2004 - 03:22 PM

I just heard Bush's reaction to this.  I really think he'd do better if instead of saying that "we have to bring them to justice before they hurt other Americans" he would say that we have to bring them to justice before they hurt ANYONE ELSE.
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Posted 18 June 2004 - 03:24 PM

JadziaDax, on Jun 18 2004, 03:47 PM, said:

Hey I have an idea.

Lets pull out, and let the idiots blast themselves into oblivion.

Problem solved.

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#28 Drew

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Posted 18 June 2004 - 03:46 PM

Cyberhippie, on Jun 18 2004, 02:57 PM, said:

yes, that will give us the moral high ground for invasions for sure. :rolleyes:
Even at that we'd still be holding the moral high ground compared to these guys.

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A very Christian attitude.

If ever there was a justification for war, a la Augustine, al-Qaeda is it.
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Posted 18 June 2004 - 03:51 PM

Thou shalt not kill.
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Posted 18 June 2004 - 03:54 PM

Kosh, on Jun 18 2004, 03:49 PM, said:

Thou shalt not kill.
Time for me to start a thread about Augustine's "Just War" theory, I see.  :cool:
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Posted 18 June 2004 - 04:10 PM

Drew, on Jun 18 2004, 09:44 PM, said:

Cyberhippie, on Jun 18 2004, 02:57 PM, said:

yes, that will give us the moral high ground for invasions for sure. :rolleyes:
Even at that we'd still be holding the moral high ground compared to these guys.

Bollocks

murdering ten defenseless prisoners in retaliation means you have just become everything the coalition is supposed to be fighting against, and no amount of sophistry is going to change that

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Posted 18 June 2004 - 04:11 PM

A Saudi spokesman in a news conference says that:
Saudi security forces have a group of al Qaeda suspects under siege, shots have been fired, and some of the Al Qaeda terrorists have been killed. Details to follow.

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#33 Bad Wolf

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Posted 18 June 2004 - 04:25 PM

Cyberhippie, on Jun 18 2004, 02:08 PM, said:

Drew, on Jun 18 2004, 09:44 PM, said:

Cyberhippie, on Jun 18 2004, 02:57 PM, said:

yes, that will give us the moral high ground for invasions for sure. :rolleyes:
Even at that we'd still be holding the moral high ground compared to these guys.

Bollocks

murdering ten defenseless prisoners in retaliation means you have just become everything the coalition is supposed to be fighting against, and no amount of sophistry is going to change that
I don't think that's what Drew said.  I think he's talking about taking the war to al-quaeda and wiping them off the face of the earth.

I gotta say, I'm in agreement.  These bastards are in the same group that perpetrated 9-11.  I wanted to nuke their asses back then and, although I've changed my mind about nuking for obvious reasons, I'm not opposed to obliterating every single last one of them so long as it can be done without hurting anyone else.
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Posted 18 June 2004 - 04:25 PM

Cyberhippie, on Jun 18 2004, 04:08 PM, said:

Drew, on Jun 18 2004, 09:44 PM, said:

Cyberhippie, on Jun 18 2004, 02:57 PM, said:

yes, that will give us the moral high ground for invasions for sure. :rolleyes:
Even at that we'd still be holding the moral high ground compared to these guys.

Bollocks

murdering ten defenseless prisoners in retaliation means you have just become everything the coalition is supposed to be fighting against, and no amount of sophistry is going to change that
Granted, I'm deliberately going overboard in order to make a point.

That point is that sometimes you need to speak in a language they understand . . .
"Someone must have slandered Josef K., for one morning, without having done anything wrong, he was arrested."

#35 Bad Wolf

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Posted 18 June 2004 - 04:27 PM

oops.  never mind.  I missed the post about executing the prisoners.
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Posted 18 June 2004 - 04:27 PM

Una Salus Lillius, on Jun 18 2004, 10:23 PM, said:

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murdering ten defenseless prisoners in retaliation means you have just become everything the coalition is supposed to be fighting against, and no amount of sophistry is going to change that
I don't think that's what Drew said.  I think he's talking about taking the war to al-quaeda and wiping them off the face of the earth.

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In fact, I'd say that for every person al-Qaeda kills, let's execute 10 al-Qaeda members currently being held

Yeah Lil, that's EXACTLY what he said. He's talking about the cold blooded murder of prisoner.

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#37 Bad Wolf

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Posted 18 June 2004 - 04:33 PM

I already said oops.  You gotta keep up with me kid.  ;)
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Posted 18 June 2004 - 04:35 PM

Drew, on Jun 18 2004, 03:23 PM, said:

That point is that sometimes you need to speak in a language they understand . . .
I'd recommend Arabic, in that case. :)

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Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Hate multiplies hate, violence multiplies violence,
toughness multiplies toughness in a descending spiral of destruction...
The chain reaction of evil -
hate begetting hate, wars producing more wars -
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or we shall be plunged into the darkness... of annihilation."
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What has happened is nothing short of monstrous.  But all that sinking to their level will accomplish is increased ease of recruiting for AQ while the west more and more begins to resemble the Great Satan they want us to be so desperately.

Desires for vengeance are not part of any "Just war," if there's ever been such a thing.
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Posted 18 June 2004 - 04:49 PM

Jid, on Jun 18 2004, 04:33 PM, said:

Desires for vengeance are not part of any "Just war," if there's ever been such a thing.
There certainly has.
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Posted 18 June 2004 - 04:56 PM

Jid, on Jun 18 2004, 04:33 PM, said:

But all that sinking to their level will accomplish is increased ease of recruiting for AQ while the west more and more begins to resemble the Great Satan they want us to be so desperately.

They've never needed any kind of excuse before.

Don't you get it? You don't fight these people by quoting MLK. You don't overcome them by joining hands and singing "Kum Bah Yah." The only way to fight them is to utterly destroy them.

I repeat: they don't need new reasons to seek our destruction. They've never needed any reason other than the fact that we are not them. People are wasting too much time trying to figure out how to satisfy these beasts so they won't kill us. But they can't be satisfied. They want us dead and they won't rest until it's accomplished.

For the sake of civilization itself, we must win this war.

Edited by Drew, 18 June 2004 - 04:57 PM.

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