Drew, on Aug 25 2004, 11:34 AM, said:
I think the problem is that "Bush Hatred" is a sort of religion, and to attempt to dialogue with Bush-haters (as opposed to dialoging with someone who really has an open mind) is like attempting to convince a True Believer of the wrongness of his faith. Bush-hatred has been bubbling over for four years, beginning with catchphrases like "selected, not elected" and continuing onward to "Bush lied, people died." (Never mind that both these things are demonstrably false.) It will require quite a bit of time for reprogramming.
Exactly. Most of what I've heard from people has nothing to do with specific topics, they don't have specific. It's inuendo, paranoia, and the "we should have won" rant. That's it. One of the reasons I won't be voting Democrat this time, there is no substance. I don't vote for whiners and paranoid conspiracy theorists.
t's funny, I could probably give a better disertation on why someone should
vote for Kerry than any Democrat I've met has been able to. Just like the anti-war protesters on TV. Several people I know, including left leaners, commented on how ignorant they were. Most of them couldn't form coherent sentence, nevermind arguements. I was totally for the war, but I could have come up with 100% better arguments against it than any I saw. It caused several discussions about the demise of the educational system and the obvious lack of even expository writing 101 in high school. What was extremely distressfull was one was a NYC teacher, and what she said was so illogical. Everyone knows when something makes sense or not, whether it's a logical argument, regardless whether you agree or not.
Comments made elsewhere that Bush will lose in a landslide are evidence about how out of touch with reality some people are. Who ever wins, it is going to be another statistical tie. That is just the way it is. And for one side to say "the people" are being picked on or whatever, are ignoring half the people. Probably more, because if you removed the divisive hot topics of abortion rights and gay rights, even more are probably otherwise on the side of the republicans. It's even funny to hear some Democrats saying that the Republicans are dividing the country, when from everything I've seen it's the Democrats that are doing it with their sour grapes, nstead of just dealing and moving on. Nothing is discussed on merit, it's a matter of "We hate Bush, so everything he does is wrong. Everything anti-Bush people do must be right". No matter how much you like someone, they are not always right. No matter how much you dislike someone they are not always wrong. It's that kind of thinking that has caused me to do a total 180 in the last year or so. Illogical is illogical. The more I pointed out how ridiculous some of these statements where, the more I had to reassess my own opinions and positions on the matter.
On the NH evening news last night they were discussing how much time the candidates are spending in NH. This often happens for the primaries, but not after. However, this time around every vote counts even more than last time, and NH is a battleground state.
Anyways, they were stating that manyof the battle ground states are republican leaning. And due to increases in population in those states, if the states vote the same as last time, Bush will have 10 more electoral votes than last time. A very clear winner. Hence all the time Kerry is spending here. Plus, we know Kerry's antics going way back. You can't live in New England and not know all about Massachussetts politics. It's annoying in a way because you kind of feel like they overwhelm everything else. Regardless, it puts someone running from Massachussetts in a precarious position .
So anyone stating absolute victory, or landslides, or anything else, is living in an alternate reality, is showing they are out of touch with what is really happening, and anything else they say is subject to the same doubt. Making outlandish statements only loses you the argument.
Comparing Bush to Hitler, Saddam, and any other ridiculous statements shows several things about the speaker. They have no comprehension of how terrible and evil those people were and how people suffered because of them. Either they are ignorant or incapable of understanding. It also shows a total lack of balance, perspective, relativity, and so forth. It also shows them likely to make outlandish statements, negating most if not all of their other statements.