

"Just do me one big favor, ok?" he wrote.
#1
Posted 06 September 2004 - 02:50 PM
May he rest in peace, and may his grieving sister find the strength to continue to spread this word.
Nonny

The once and future Nonny
"Give a man a gun and he can rob a bank, give a man a bank and he can rob the world." Can anyone tell me who I am quoting? I found this with no attribution.
Fatal miscarriages are forever.
Stupid is stupid, this I believe. And ignorance is the worst kind of stupid, since ignorance is a choice. Suzanne Brockmann
All things must be examined, debated, investigated without exception and without regard for anyone's feelings. Diderot
#2
Posted 06 September 2004 - 06:01 PM

I don't envy you Americans one bit come November - you have a choice between two evils, and in this day and age we truly need good leaders.

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#3
Posted 06 September 2004 - 06:51 PM
ZipperInt, on Sep 6 2004, 05:59 PM, said:


#4
Posted 06 September 2004 - 07:26 PM
#5
Posted 06 September 2004 - 07:38 PM
Drew, on Sep 6 2004, 05:49 PM, said:
ZipperInt, on Sep 6 2004, 05:59 PM, said:


I also see this as a choice between incompetence and leadership, at least one some level.
#6
Posted 06 September 2004 - 07:49 PM
ZipperInt, on Sep 6 2004, 05:59 PM, said:

I don't envy you Americans one bit come November - you have a choice between two evils, and in this day and age we truly need good leaders.

But I resent that all the blame for this is going on one man's head. GWB wasn't the only one who saw the intellegence gathered and came to the conclusion that Iraq was a threat. Congress saw and agreed. Tony Blair and Great Britian saw the intellegence and agreed. Half a dozen other countries saw it and agreed. But one man is being blamed for our not finding WMD and that is just not fair. Such is war though. It's not fair that young men and women will die there, but they are serving the cause of liberty and it's a damn shame they don't all know it.
-- B
I may make you feel but I can't make you think.
(from Thick as a Brick, Jethro Tull)
He who made kittens put snakes in the grass.
He's a lover of life but a player of pawns.
(from Bungle in the Jungle--War Child, JT)
#7
Posted 07 September 2004 - 09:35 AM
Bouree57, on Sep 7 2004, 12:49 AM, said:
Nonny

The once and future Nonny
"Give a man a gun and he can rob a bank, give a man a bank and he can rob the world." Can anyone tell me who I am quoting? I found this with no attribution.
Fatal miscarriages are forever.
Stupid is stupid, this I believe. And ignorance is the worst kind of stupid, since ignorance is a choice. Suzanne Brockmann
All things must be examined, debated, investigated without exception and without regard for anyone's feelings. Diderot
#8
Posted 07 September 2004 - 09:38 AM
Nonny, on Sep 7 2004, 09:35 AM, said:
Bouree57, on Sep 7 2004, 12:49 AM, said:
#9
Posted 07 September 2004 - 09:42 AM
Drew, on Sep 6 2004, 11:51 PM, said:
ZipperInt, on Sep 6 2004, 05:59 PM, said:



Nonny

The once and future Nonny
"Give a man a gun and he can rob a bank, give a man a bank and he can rob the world." Can anyone tell me who I am quoting? I found this with no attribution.
Fatal miscarriages are forever.
Stupid is stupid, this I believe. And ignorance is the worst kind of stupid, since ignorance is a choice. Suzanne Brockmann
All things must be examined, debated, investigated without exception and without regard for anyone's feelings. Diderot
#10
Posted 07 September 2004 - 09:49 AM
Drew, on Sep 7 2004, 02:38 PM, said:
Nonny, on Sep 7 2004, 09:35 AM, said:
Bouree57, on Sep 7 2004, 12:49 AM, said:
Nonny

The once and future Nonny
"Give a man a gun and he can rob a bank, give a man a bank and he can rob the world." Can anyone tell me who I am quoting? I found this with no attribution.
Fatal miscarriages are forever.
Stupid is stupid, this I believe. And ignorance is the worst kind of stupid, since ignorance is a choice. Suzanne Brockmann
All things must be examined, debated, investigated without exception and without regard for anyone's feelings. Diderot
#11
Posted 07 September 2004 - 09:54 AM
This was a brave soldier fighting for a just cause. He should be honored.
#12
Posted 07 September 2004 - 10:31 AM
Drew, on Sep 7 2004, 02:54 PM, said:
This was a brave soldier fighting for a just cause. He should be honored.
I support liberty everywhere, unlike Bush's father, who refused to recognize Slovenia and Croatia when they declared their independence. He didn't want to spend money on new embassies, so he lied and said that neither nation had a history of independence. Even if that were true, it would be a sad, sorry reason to deny a people their independence.
Yes, liberty is costly, but if you bothered to listen to what this brave soldier said before he died, he was not fighting for liberty, and wanted his sister to know it. Now she wants you to know it too.
Liberty is not a fool's crusade, but what Bush et al are doing in Iraq most certainly is, and funny you should mention "crusade." No, not funny, really. Scary.
He was a brave soldier fighting for a cause he came to see was not just, and he is honored. He would be honored more if you would pay attention to his words, and not just knee jerk your way back to the opinion you came in with.
Nonny

The once and future Nonny
"Give a man a gun and he can rob a bank, give a man a bank and he can rob the world." Can anyone tell me who I am quoting? I found this with no attribution.
Fatal miscarriages are forever.
Stupid is stupid, this I believe. And ignorance is the worst kind of stupid, since ignorance is a choice. Suzanne Brockmann
All things must be examined, debated, investigated without exception and without regard for anyone's feelings. Diderot
#13
Posted 07 September 2004 - 10:56 AM
Nonny, on Sep 7 2004, 10:31 AM, said:
By the way, this is supposed to be a kinder, gentler OT now. Please don't call your fellow members "crazy" or attempt to characterize their words as "knee jerk" or use such an obviously negative, combative tone.
I read that woman's message. I sympathize with her loss. But liberty and freedom in Iraq is a cause worth fighting for. Unfortunately, her narrow definition of "liberty" meant her brother not having to fight. I sympathize with her loss, but I wish she could broaden her perspective a bit.
Edited by Drew, 07 September 2004 - 11:15 AM.
#14
Posted 07 September 2004 - 12:55 PM
Drew, on Sep 7 2004, 08:56 AM, said:

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Likewise.
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(2) Stayed purple. (3) Bad, bad Trance!
(4) Love and Blowing Things Up continue forever. The universe wins
#15
Posted 07 September 2004 - 01:10 PM
On a side note, just some rambling thoughts:
I'm sure that those of suitable age that see this war as just and honorable have gone down and attempted to sign up to join in this honorable cause. If not, why not? What is honorable about asking others to put their lives on the line? If I were still in the military, I would find more comfort in another patriot at my side than in a distant armchair sipping on a brew and waving a flag from his/her SUV. What is more important than liberty? If Iraq is a threat to our country, why not sign up and fight there? These are questions I've had since 9-11 (actually, 9-12) and the Army would not let me back in because of my age.
But maybe I've missed something important that explains all of this, eh?
nutmeg
#16
Posted 07 September 2004 - 01:57 PM
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I am sure Nonny knows quite well waht she was saying, and if she said scary, she meant scary.
As to possibly Islamic (I have not yet heard this confirmed, and have heard they where probably Chechen. Not islamic. Source : Radio 4 pm program today, 5.09 or thereabouts). terrorists shooting at schoolkids, that is in a whole different league than scary. Think terrifying.
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#17
Posted 07 September 2004 - 02:07 PM
Drew, on Sep 7 2004, 03:56 PM, said:
Nonny, on Sep 7 2004, 10:31 AM, said:
By the way, this is supposed to be a kinder, gentler OT now. Please don't call your fellow members "crazy" or attempt to characterize their words as "knee jerk" or use such an obviously negative, combative tone.
I read that woman's message. I sympathize with her loss. But liberty and freedom in Iraq is a cause worth fighting for. Unfortunately, her narrow definition of "liberty" meant her brother not having to fight. I sympathize with her loss, but I wish she could broaden her perspective a bit.
I was referring to the word "crusade" as you might have noticed, marked off in quotation marks as it was. You might have noticed that, if you hadn't been so quick to misunderstand. Let's reserve the word "crusade" for situations that do not make the friends we have left in the Middle East nervous.
Sigh. Here I was, being all kinder and gentler, doing exactly what you asked me to do, and you're STILL upset?! There is just no pleasing you. Okay, next time you tell me to call you crazy, I won't call you crazy.
That woman lost her brother. Apparently you don't mind speaking ill of the dead, as you did in a previous post. Are you over there, making sure that liberty and freedom is what's being fought for? I don't think so. He was there, discovering something quite different. He said so, you twisted his courageous words into, "this young soldier wants us to think of him as being on a fool's crusade." No, he does not want us to think of him as being on a fool's crusade, and not just because he is dead and not currently thinking and being at all, but he does want us to know what the real deal is, and you can't take the truth, so you dishonor his memory. Shame on you.
And shame on you for saying that his grieving sister should "broaden her perspective a bit." She did broaden it, when she believed what her brother told her.
Nonny

The once and future Nonny
"Give a man a gun and he can rob a bank, give a man a bank and he can rob the world." Can anyone tell me who I am quoting? I found this with no attribution.
Fatal miscarriages are forever.
Stupid is stupid, this I believe. And ignorance is the worst kind of stupid, since ignorance is a choice. Suzanne Brockmann
All things must be examined, debated, investigated without exception and without regard for anyone's feelings. Diderot
#18
Posted 07 September 2004 - 02:10 PM
Chaddee, on Sep 7 2004, 06:57 PM, said:
Quote
As to possibly Islamic (I have not yet heard this confirmed, and have heard they where probably Chechen. Not islamic. Source : Radio 4 pm program today, 5.09 or thereabouts). terrorists shooting at schoolkids, that is in a whole different league than scary. Think terrifying.
Chaddee
Nonny

The once and future Nonny
"Give a man a gun and he can rob a bank, give a man a bank and he can rob the world." Can anyone tell me who I am quoting? I found this with no attribution.
Fatal miscarriages are forever.
Stupid is stupid, this I believe. And ignorance is the worst kind of stupid, since ignorance is a choice. Suzanne Brockmann
All things must be examined, debated, investigated without exception and without regard for anyone's feelings. Diderot
#19
Posted 07 September 2004 - 02:25 PM
Ye shall be foolish as I; ye shall scatter, not save;
Ye shall venture your all, lest ye lose what is more than all;
Ye shall call for a miracle, taking Christ at His word.
And for this I will answer, O people, answer here and hereafter,
The Fool - Padraic Pearse
#20
Posted 07 September 2004 - 02:35 PM
Ilphi, on Sep 7 2004, 07:25 PM, said:
At issue, the words of a dead soldier. He didn't have the right to express what he did while alive and on active duty.
Nonny

The once and future Nonny
"Give a man a gun and he can rob a bank, give a man a bank and he can rob the world." Can anyone tell me who I am quoting? I found this with no attribution.
Fatal miscarriages are forever.
Stupid is stupid, this I believe. And ignorance is the worst kind of stupid, since ignorance is a choice. Suzanne Brockmann
All things must be examined, debated, investigated without exception and without regard for anyone's feelings. Diderot
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