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#1 Lord of the Sword

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Posted 24 October 2004 - 08:17 AM

I'm not sure what news program I saw this on. I've tried to find the story on the web, but have had no luck.

In Texas the elderly inmates at a correctional facility are being vaccinated while elderly citizens are not able to get the vaccine due to the shortage. This is just wrong.

City officials say that vaccinated though in the prison will save the taxpayers money, since it will cut down on the medical costs of prisoners getting the flu, ect.

What moron in office over there decided to put his inmate population over that of his citizens?

Will keep trying to find a link to it on the net.
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#2 Shoshana

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Posted 24 October 2004 - 08:54 AM

No Flu Shot Wait For Some Prisoners

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FORT WORTH, Texas -- You've seen long lines of North Texas seniors waiting hours in the cold for flu shots, but there is no wait for Texas seniors who live "inside" prison walls.

The state insists that 1,100 flu shots headed to prisons throughout Texas for high-risk inmates is saving taxpayers money.

Authorities say it's a good move that will help prevent a flu outbreak while others believe it's ridiculous.

Conrad Guptill of Fort Worth just doesn't get it.

"It just kind of makes me sick ... I spent 20 years in the military [we are] at high risk and we can't get our shots," Guptill said.

Guptill has chronic bronchitis and doesn't understand why inmates are getting flu shots before he does.

The Texas Department of Criminal Justice will give shots to high-risk prisoners 65 and older, those who have HIV or AIDS, and pregnant women.

Officials say giving the shots will save taxpayers money by avoiding a massive flu outbreak in prisons. David Wakefield said that's a good idea. It will be up to each prison to decide which inmates will receive the shot.

While they are vaccinated, Guptill will continue looking for flu shots, hoping to get one before the winter season sets in.

Missouri and Florida also have programs set up to vaccinate its prisoners.

The government estimates 98 million people are at risk of flu complications. It expects to have about half of that number of flu shots.



Texas border city has no more flu shots

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With more than 700,000 people in its metro population, El Paso may be one of the largest and poorest places to have so little vaccine, although it’s hard to be sure. U.S. health officials are mum on where the worst shortages are.

El Paso’s top health official, Dr. Jorge Magana, said: “We do not have any more flu vaccine to provide to the public. We don’t know when we will have more vaccine available.”

The city’s only public hospital, Thomason Hospital, has held on to 300 doses for patients whose lives would be in danger if they caught the flu. The operator of two private hospitals here has some vaccine in reserve, but won’t say how much.

Some residents have tried crossing the border to buy flu shots in neighboring Ciudad Juarez, Mexico. But the supplies in that city, where flu shots are still somewhat a novelty, also have been sparse.

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Posted 24 October 2004 - 11:11 AM

We have the same situation here in CA, and in several other states. The most interesting thing (and I can't quote it because it's not part of the online site for my local paper, and I read it from someone else's copy of the paper at the coffee shop :eyes roll round and round) ... the most interesting thing is that when Correction Officers in various prisons were interviewed, not a one of them could remember a major flu outbreak. Yes, to TB, hepatitis (sp?), etc ... but not flu. In fact, staff was more likely to have sick time due to flu as they were going home to kiddo's.

Friday there was a flu clinic here for Kaiser patients. Folks had their oxygen tanks running out while they waited in line. This is just plain wrong.

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#4 Lord of the Sword

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Posted 24 October 2004 - 11:35 AM

Guess the message the State officals are trying to make is: "People convicted of crimes have more rights then honest hard working tax payers"
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Posted 24 October 2004 - 12:22 PM

Well, with prisoners cooped up together, any bug is going to go through the population quickly.

Outside, people have the option to stay home and look after themselves without going out infecting others.

So I can see some logic in innoculating prisoners. Shame about the elderly though. They are a vulnerable population and should have the same option.
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#6 Norville

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Posted 24 October 2004 - 12:51 PM

Hmm, what do I object to more? The idea that aging prisoners get their shots first, or the fact that this shortage exists at all, partly because making flu vaccine isn't "sexy" enough in its profitability for the pharmaceutical industry? I have a major problem with the latter. I can at least understand the former -- because they're all cooped up together (as Chakotay said), anything communicable like flu could go through them very fast and possibly nastily. (Yeah, we could say "They're just prisoners, so who cares if they die?", but I frankly don't want to get into that.)
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#7 Lord of the Sword

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Posted 24 October 2004 - 06:08 PM

Chakotay, on Oct 24 2004, 12:22 PM, said:

Well, with prisoners cooped up together, any bug is going to go through the population quickly.

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That's what lockdown is for. You keep the prisoners in their cells, you should be able to cut the infection spread down...somewhat.
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#8 Shoshana

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Posted 25 October 2004 - 07:03 PM

From what I can tell, they are giving the shots to the patients at high risk inside the prisons... not to the general prison population.

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Posted 25 October 2004 - 10:22 PM

Shoshana, on Oct 25 2004, 07:03 PM, said:

From what I can tell, they are giving the shots to the patients at high risk inside the prisons... not to the general prison population.

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True, but it's still not right that they are choosing to give it to high risk inmates, rather then high risk tax paying citizens.
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#10 Jazzer

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Posted 25 October 2004 - 11:27 PM

Can't remember where I heard or might have read this, but it seems like I remember someone commenting that since prisoners aren't out there circulating among the general public, they're actually less exposed to flu.  

I did hear someone on a talk radio show mention this topic and was objecting also to the practice of allowing some law-abiding people outside to do without flu shots so that some prisoners could have them.  Someone who has worked in prisons called in to comment.  The caller said that the staff in a prison are offered flu shots, but not all staff choose to take them.  Basically the caller was saying that innoculating at least the high risk prisoners helps to protect prison staff from being more exposed to flu on the job.  

But I wonder what the actual numbers are of incidence of flu among the prison population.  If it's a lot less than the general population, I would be inclined to say not to give prisoners flu shots.  But I don't know what the actual numbers are.
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Posted 26 October 2004 - 09:50 AM

What *really* isn't good is that nurses and doctors who work with high risk immune compromised kids in hospitals, at least around here, aren't getting the vaccine.  A family I know had to practically beg for vaccines for themselves and their son (who has cancer and is on chemo) and their daughter.  They're at least protected, hopefully, but the nurses and doctors who will be working with their son in the upcoming months (when they do a very strong chemo treatment to kill his bone marrow, and then a bone marrow transplant) won't have the vaccination.  I would think it'd be important to minimize risk in anyway possible, so survival rate can be increased, but I guess the government doesn't feel the same way.
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#12 Kimmer

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Posted 26 October 2004 - 02:00 PM

Jazzergold, on Oct 25 2004, 09:27 PM, said:

Someone who has worked in prisons called in to comment.  The caller said that the staff in a prison are offered flu shots, but not all staff choose to take them.  Basically the caller was saying that innoculating at least the high risk prisoners helps to protect prison staff from being more exposed to flu on the job. 

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Here in CA, the staff is NOT being offered the shots. FTR, and I can't give you the exact anythings, but I have several well-place sources and that's all I can say ... there hasn't been a major flu outbreak in CA prisons in years and years and years. They have major outbreaks of TB, but that's not the flu. ;)  So innoculating all these "pillars of society" is nothing more than a "feel good, hope they don't sue us" thing. ;)

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#13 darthsikle

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Posted 26 October 2004 - 02:48 PM

I don't think elderly people should be given their flu shots until all kids six and under have received them.
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#14 Nick

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Posted 26 October 2004 - 04:47 PM

I usually get a Flu shot--the university often offers them for free to students--but not this year.  With the shortage, there are people who need them and can't get them.  I can handle a flu and recover from it, those with weakened immune systems cannot (elderly, children, etc.).

As for inmates, that is absolutely ridiculous.

Flu's usually require no treatment unless there are other complications, so the only inmates that should be getting them are the ones that have a serious risk of death or severe illness should they catch a flu.

How much taxpayer money is going to be lost on emergency medical treatment on those citizens who will suffer or die because they can't get flu shots?  

There's a shortage on, inmates take the lowest priority, IMHO.  Law-abiding citizens who need the shots should get them first.

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Posted 26 October 2004 - 10:30 PM

Nick, on Oct 26 2004, 09:47 PM, said:

Flu's usually require no treatment unless there are other complications, so the only inmates that should be getting them are the ones that have a serious risk of death or severe illness should they catch a flu.

How much taxpayer money is going to be lost on emergency medical treatment on those citizens who will suffer or die because they can't get flu shots? 

There's a shortage on, inmates take the lowest priority, IMHO.  Law-abiding citizens who need the shots should get them first.

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Mark: Some good points there, Nick. Let me also add something that the nurse at my doctor's office told me...
"You know, we give flu shots to patients every year, but really, maybe saw only
two actual flu cases amongst the patients coming in thinking they had flu. People come in all the time swearing that they have strept-throat. I'll ask them if they had a swab culture done on their throat.  They hadn't, but swear they have strept-throat, anyway."

One of my grandfathers, got "the flu" every year. In reality, he probably just had a common cold.

Flu shots are precautionary,  and not necessarily essential. I think a lot of hype has been exerted over this year's shortage of flu vaccine because of the upcoming Presidential election. Democrats would love another issue to throw in President Bush's face, although I don't believe a shortage a flu vaccine should actually be a "Presidential" issue, at least at the moment. If there are shortages on a regular, or semi-regular basis...that may be something a President should look into.
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#16 Shoshana

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Posted 26 October 2004 - 11:57 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2...k.ap/index.html

I read today that this year's flu is similar to last years, so anyone exposed last year or that had the shot last year is partially covered.

They also said that last year, even with all the shot panic, 4 million doses weren't used and had to be destroyed.

This is a source who said there are stull 61 million doses that have yet to be distributed....

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For one thing, there are still about 61 million vials of vaccine in the U.S. pipeline. That is roughly equal to the nation's entire supply in 2000. With proper distribution, that is enough to protect the 42.8 million Americans who really need anti-viral protection, said University of Rochester infectious disease specialist John Treanor.


About actually having the flu- When either of us gets the flu, it's easy to tell it from a cold - especially when I get it. Anytime I get the flu I start off with a horrible headache and 104F fever....  and Gareth gets a fever, but usually 101F or 102F.

Colds act like colds. We're miserable and sneezing and our noses run.

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Posted 27 October 2004 - 06:48 PM

Nick, on Oct 26 2004, 04:47 PM, said:

There's a shortage on, inmates take the lowest priority, IMHO.  Law-abiding citizens who need the shots should get them first.

-Nick

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Oh I agree. Unfortunately though, the State officials don't feel the same way. Apparently as far as the State officials are concerned...inmates have more priority then law abiding, tax paying citizens.
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