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#1 Lord of the Sword

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Posted 14 March 2005 - 03:07 AM

I went to Harrahs casino tonight. In the casino you can smoke...except in designated non-smoking areas...which are very few. Only a couple of machines areas in the entire casino are non-smoking. Anyway, I was gambling, having a good time, when this elderly woman sat down at the machine next to the one I was playing.

It took a couple of minutes before I noticed she was putting her hand up to cover her face. The smoke from my cigarette, which I was smoking before she sat next to me, was drifting right towards her. I asked her if it was bothering her and she said "yes." So, I moved the ashtray away from her and made a conscious effort not to blow smoke near her.

What puzzled me was why she didn't say anything about it until I asked if it was bothering her. Usually I have to deal with hostile non-smokers who think their rights are more important then mine...which usually winds up with smoke being blown in their face.

Setting aside the fact that this woman who was bothered by the cigarette smoke sat down next to someone who WAS smoking...why wouldn't she say anything. If a non-smoker asks politely, more often then not I will try to accommodate them, as long as they are polite.

So my question to the non-smokers is this: When in a situation where cigarette smoke is bothering you, do you not ask the smoker to move the cigarette...if you happen to be in a smoking area...(guess that excludes NY, since NY decided to discriminate against smokers) I'm just wondering...because unless a non-smoker makes me aware that my smoke is bothering them, I usually don't notice. I just happened to here.

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Posted 14 March 2005 - 03:23 AM

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So my question to the non-smokers is this: When in a situation where cigarette smoke is bothering you, do you not ask the smoker to move the cigarette...if you happen to be in a smoking area...(guess that excludes NY, since NY decided to discriminate against smokers) I'm just wondering...because unless a non-smoker makes me aware that my smoke is bothering them, I usually don't notice. I just happened to here.
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FWIW, back when smoking was allowed in public places around here, I tried not to sit in the smoking areas. When forced to, I went out of my way to not sit next to someone who was already smoking. The lady's behavior was rude, but that's MHO.

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Posted 14 March 2005 - 03:35 AM

I'm a non-smoker, and generally try to avoid places where people would be smoking. That being said, if I was in a designated smoking area and there was other options available to me (ie, leaving the casino or going to another room), I'd deal with a smoker - if there were no options for me I'd probably ask them not to smoke.
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Posted 14 March 2005 - 03:41 AM

LORD of the SWORD said:

So my question to the non-smokers is this: When in a situation where cigarette smoke is bothering you, do you not ask the smoker to move the cigarette...if you happen to be in a smoking area...

It's not worth the hassle of getting glared at or whatever. If I can I just move somewhere else.

Now people who repeatedly spit on the sidewalk, that bothers me a lot more than smoking. I've said something like "Hey! What are you doing?" to several spitters, but they just ignore me.
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Posted 14 March 2005 - 08:12 AM

Having had my head bitten off more than once for asking someone not to smoke in a non-smoking area (including the most unbelievable string of insults and crude language from a young woman with a child on a bus no less) when I was up in manchester i've just decided to give up asking.

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Posted 14 March 2005 - 08:59 AM

Smoking always bothers me if it's done near me - I get a sore throat from breathing in that stuff.   So, I'll usually move if somebody's smoking near me, or just avoid places where people are smoking (unless I'm going to see a friend's band or something... then I just have to put up with it and know I'm going to feel like my throat's been through a cheese grater for the next three or four days).

I hardly ever ask anybody to put their cigarette out, because a couple of times (not every time, but enough to make it a factor) when I've done that, the smoker's been a jerk about it (even though I asked politely), which sometimes leads to violence, so I usually don't take the chance that the guy's going to smart off and make me either crack his head or get mine cracked.  Not worth it by any stretch... so, I seldom ask and usually just leave the area, if possible.

If there's a smoking area, though, and you were in it, then the lady doesn't have much right to complain.   Nothing wrong with smoking in a smoking zone...

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Posted 14 March 2005 - 09:30 AM

It's just not worth the string of abuse, plus the possible threats of violence.

It's just not worth it.
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Posted 14 March 2005 - 09:39 AM

LORD of the SWORD, on Mar 14 2005, 04:07 AM, said:

I went to Harrahs casino tonight. In the casino you can smoke...except in designated non-smoking areas...which are very few. Only a couple of machines areas in the entire casino are non-smoking. Anyway, I was gambling, having a good time, when this elderly woman sat down at the machine next to the one I was playing.

It took a couple of minutes before I noticed she was putting her hand up to cover her face. The smoke from my cigarette, which I was smoking before she sat next to me, was drifting right towards her. I asked her if it was bothering her and she said "yes." So, I moved the ashtray away from her and made a conscious effort not to blow smoke near her.

What puzzled me was why she didn't say anything about it until I asked if it was bothering her. Usually I have to deal with hostile non-smokers who think their rights are more important then mine...which usually winds up with smoke being blown in their face.

Setting aside the fact that this woman who was bothered by the cigarette smoke sat down next to someone who WAS smoking...why wouldn't she say anything. If a non-smoker asks politely, more often then not I will try to accommodate them, as long as they are polite.

So my question to the non-smokers is this: When in a situation where cigarette smoke is bothering you, do you not ask the smoker to move the cigarette...if you happen to be in a smoking area...(guess that excludes NY, since NY decided to discriminate against smokers) I'm just wondering...because unless a non-smoker makes me aware that my smoke is bothering them, I usually don't notice. I just happened to here.

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Posted 14 March 2005 - 10:26 AM

I have given up requesting handicapped rooms, except for the Navy Lodge, because of disabled smokers, a bitter and angry group of people who believe that nobody in the world has the right to place a limit on when and where they may smoke, especially in motel and hotel rooms designated both nonsmoking and handicapped.  :angry:  :angry:  :angry:  I once cancelled a party I was going to have at my house, where nobody was allowed to smoke inside ever, because a passive aggressive smoker who would never ever smoke in my house was planning to bring as her date an angry, hostile, disabled smoker who lit up anytime, anywhere.  

As for some nonsmoker invading the smoking section then expecting a smoker to stub it out, yeah, not the brightest bulb on the marquee.  As for the relative merits of nonsmokers and smokers, the problem is the smoke, not the right to emit or not emit second hand smoke; I don't see us nonsmokers contributing to the problem.  I wouldn't mind it as much, well, except for the horrible smell, if it only caused health problems for those of you who do it, but I'm a lifelong nonsmoker with impaired lungs due to spending my first 18 years in the home of a chainsmoker, and I resent it very very much.  My not smoking never hurt him.  The one time I asked him not to smoke at the dinner table got me my head handed back to me, but at least my mom let me not dine with the family anymore.  Big whoop.  House still reeked.  

Relations between nonsmokers and smokers are never going to be easy.  I stay out of casinos because the determination of how good the filter is for the nonsmoking areas is made by, I'm guessing, smokers.  

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Posted 14 March 2005 - 11:33 AM

Hmmmmm...I think the hostility and rudeness cuts both ways. I try to be considerate of people and keep smoke away from them as much as humanly possible (to the point of simply not smoking when I see it's bothering someone). I don't smoke where it's not allowed. If I'm at a non smokers house, I go outside or simply don't smoke. Not all smokers are rude nor are all non smokers polite. I've dealt with people that feel it's their God given right to lecture me on the subject or complain bitterly (and loudly) in area's where smoking is allowed. Even out doors you'll run across people that will complain when smokers ARE in those places designated for smokers (outside in the freezing cold etc...) and someone will glare at you as they go by. Apparently rudeness doesn't have a designated area. As for the woman not asking the smoker in a designated smoking area to move their cigarette...It may be one of two reasons...Maybe she figured if you're in a designated smoking area, you just deal with the smoke or maybe she has encountered the ugly smoker that get's nasty about the issue
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Posted 14 March 2005 - 11:37 AM

Maybe the woman was fond of that particular machine, and was used to dealing with angry smokers sitting next to her and didn't feel much like saying anything . .  *shrugs*

I know that certain Casino regulars will scout out machines, watching for ones that appear particularly "lucky", or will go back to a machine that got them winnings in the past (under the hope that they haven't been switched out by now, which casinos do).

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Posted 14 March 2005 - 11:46 AM

Lin731, on Mar 14 2005, 11:33 AM, said:

I've dealt with people that feel it's their God given right to lecture me on the subject or complain bitterly (and loudly) in area's where smoking is allowed. Even out doors you'll run across people that will complain when smokers ARE in those places designated for smokers (outside in the freezing cold etc...) and someone will glare at you as they go by. Apparently rudeness doesn't have a designated area.

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I've dealt with those types before...and it usually winds up with smoke getting blown in their face. You'd be surprised at how that shuts them up. I've even had one or two look like they wanted to get violent after that. But my being 6' 1 and a little over 300lbs makes them consider the consequences carefully, and they usually decide to forgo the trip to the hospital.
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Posted 14 March 2005 - 11:49 AM

So in other words, you're a smoke bully, and you wonder what's wrong with non-smokers who want to try to keep the peace despite the belligerence of characters like you?

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Posted 14 March 2005 - 11:56 AM

Ah yes the peace "You are smoking and it offends me. Yes you are outside in  the rain but Dang it I am across the street and it offends me deeply." Yeah I have seen that type of non smoker. I have also come across people who simply live and let live.
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Posted 14 March 2005 - 12:14 PM

G1223, on Mar 14 2005, 11:56 AM, said:

Ah yes the peace "You are smoking and it offends me. Yes you are outside in  the rain but Dang it I am across the street and it offends me deeply." Yeah I have seen that type of non smoker. I have also come across people who simply live and let live.

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So in other words, you're a smoke bully, and you wonder what's wrong with non-smokers who want to try to keep the peace despite the belligerence of characters like you?

Delvo, WHO'S the "bully" here? If a non somkers comes up to a smoker in a designated smoking area and decides to glare, preach or be rude...Then WHO is the bully here????? I'm sorry but I'll tell you straight up, I KNOW smoking is bad for my health already, knowing it and being able to kick the habit are to different things. Having the self annointed cigarette Nazi's preaching to you on the subject or giving you grieve when you're in one of those FEW designated areas just get's on my last nerve.
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Posted 14 March 2005 - 12:23 PM

Pickles, on Mar 14 2005, 12:23 AM, said:

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So my question to the non-smokers is this: When in a situation where cigarette smoke is bothering you, do you not ask the smoker to move the cigarette...if you happen to be in a smoking area...(guess that excludes NY, since NY decided to discriminate against smokers) I'm just wondering...because unless a non-smoker makes me aware that my smoke is bothering them, I usually don't notice. I just happened to here.
This non-smoker stays as far away from smokers as possible. :) There aren't many public places here in CA for smokers, so going out in public usually isn't a problem. If I were to go to Vegas, I simply would stay out of areas where folks could smoke indoors. Actually, I guess that means I'll probably never go to Vegas. ;)

FWIW, back when smoking was allowed in public places around here, I tried not to sit in the smoking areas. When forced to, I went out of my way to not sit next to someone who was already smoking. The lady's behavior was rude, but that's MHO.

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What Pickles said.  Luckily, I have less than no interest in going to Las Vegas and I don't really gamble, so that takes care of the one place where I'd actually have to deal with cigarette smoke. In California there's no smoking in public places any more. YAY! (I have asthma and am literally allergic to tobacco, so I tend to avoid anywhere cigarettes can be smoked like the plague anyway.)
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Posted 14 March 2005 - 12:25 PM

Delvo, on Mar 14 2005, 11:49 AM, said:

So in other words, you're a smoke bully, and you wonder what's wrong with non-smokers who want to try to keep the peace despite the belligerence of characters like you?

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Only when the Non-smoker is an A** do I do that! When the non-smoker tries to tell me that HIS rights are more important then mine...or that smokers have no rights, do I blow smoke in their face. If I'm in a smoking section and a non-smoker wants to make a scene, then bring it.

However, having said that, it really does depend on the way the non-smoker goes about asking me to snuff the cigarette. And I do mean ASK. Treat me with respect and I will do my best to respect you...this also holds true for A**hole smokers who despite how politely asked take it upon themselves to preach to the non-smokers. Can't stand that attitude from a smoker either.

Guess I just don't like rude people period...lol
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Posted 14 March 2005 - 12:28 PM

For me the issue is fairly simple.  Smoke TRAVELS.  In some restaurants, the non-smoking side is still flooded with smoke, depending on how close to the smoking side you are.  I think if smokers really want their rights protected, they should band together and fund the invention of personal smoke trappers.  Other than that, smokers are doing something that causes harm to innocent bystanders.

People who glare at smokers who are outside smoking are probably glaring with utter disbelief at the extent some people will go to feed their addictions.  But sometimes, they are also glaring because they happened to walk by and get a puff of smoke right in the face. The smoker didn't mean it, but it happened, and for a non-smoker, that's REALLY problematic, as it can set off coughing spells and the like (and no, this doesn't happen for ALL non-smokers, but it does happen for some).  Or, they could just be rude people, or people who genuinely believe that cigarette smoking is bad enough that it should be illegal.  All sorts of reasons.  

But yes.  Blowing smoke in a non-smoker's face is indeed bullying no matter WHAT their disposition.  Because it is, for some people, just as bad as, or worse, than the threatened punch.  A person glares, glare back if you must.  Blowing smoke in their face is a physical assault.

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Posted 14 March 2005 - 12:30 PM

Blowing smoke directly in to my face has about a 50/50 % chance of triggering an asthma attack. I know i'm not unique in that particular problem.

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Posted 14 March 2005 - 12:50 PM

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What puzzled me was why she didn't say anything about it until I asked if it was bothering her. Usually I have to deal with hostile non-smokers who think their rights are more important then mine...which usually winds up with smoke being blown in their face.

Usually, since I'm overly sensitive to the reek that smoking causes, I just try to walk away far enough that it's less painful to me... probably because I'd have to deal with a hostile smoker blowing smoke in my face as a substitute for a physical assault. :rolleyes: I'd prefer not to be confrontational about it, especially if most smokers react like you.

On occasion, though, I can't escape it; once, I was behind a library circulation desk and someone came over to me who smelled like concentrated stinky smoke. I would have tried to ignore it, except that I almost fell over coughing in distress. That said all it needed to, but he'd so lost his sense of smell, he just stared like "What?"

I do tend to feel that my right to breathe is slightly more important than someone's nicotine fix, but prefer not to be confrontational if I can walk away. (There was one time when I was a child, someone lit up in my mother's car, and I innocently asked "Don't you know that smoking's bad for you?" It came out in such a concerned way from the silly little kid that I was that she took no offense. :lol: ) For the same reason, I eat as I see fit (mostly vegetarian), but refuse to tell others what they can eat; it's their business. However, even a smoker should try to admit that what they're doing to the air *does* have an effect on the people around them. Oh well, I'll just avoid them to the best of my ability...

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I've dealt with those types before...and it usually winds up with smoke getting blown in their face. You'd be surprised at how that shuts them up. I've even had one or two look like they wanted to get violent after that. But my being 6' 1 and a little over 300lbs makes them consider the consequences carefully, and they usually decide to forgo the trip to the hospital.

Oh, a violent bully. Don't worry, I'd just walk away from you, if only to be safe from the tough-boy hostility. :rolleyes:

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