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Obituaries Pope John Paul II

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#1 Vapor Trails

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Posted 01 April 2005 - 12:02 PM

From CNN-his health has worsened. His breathing is shallow.

I figure he only has a short time left.

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Posted 01 April 2005 - 12:07 PM

Looks that way.

I mean, when I saw news that he'd been given the Sacrament of the Sick, it seemed like a non-news item, really, (given how commonplace such a sacrament is) until I realized they'd released that press briefing at 10 PM local (Rome) time.

I guess we'll wait and see.
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Posted 01 April 2005 - 12:09 PM

As much as I'd like to say I hope he gets better, I think it'd just be prolonging the inevitable.  The man has been drastically infirm for years, so it may be better just to wish him a peaceful passing.

The next pope they appoint should be someone younger and more vital.  John Paul II has done the best he can, but it's a case of the spirit being very willing while the flesh is very weak.

Anyway, I hope it turns out for the best, whichever direction that may be...

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Posted 01 April 2005 - 12:11 PM

The Vatican spokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls was in tears-so that definitely speaks volumes.  Given how serious his condition seems to be, I wouldn't be surprised if he passes away within the hour.
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Posted 01 April 2005 - 12:14 PM

Zwolf666, on Apr 1 2005, 10:09 AM, said:

The next pope they appoint should be someone younger and more vital.  John Paul II has done the best he can, but it's a case of the spirit being very willing while the flesh is very weak.

Just as a point of interest - John Paul II became pope when he was 58 - quite a vital man at the time.

It's the matter of "Pope until death" that leads popes to inevitably become frail old men.

I think it also speaks volumes in this case, that the Pope has chosen to stay in his apartment at the Vatican.  Perhaps he's come to peace with the thought of his own passing.
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Posted 01 April 2005 - 12:34 PM

Zwolf666, on Apr 1 2005, 12:09 PM, said:

The next pope they appoint should be someone younger and more vital.  John Paul II has done the best he can, but it's a case of the spirit being very willing while the flesh is very weak.



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That'll never happen. The church always seems to choose old men to be pope. I have yet to see a young pope. Guess they feel being old means being holy.
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Posted 01 April 2005 - 01:09 PM

somehow i think God is saying he wants the Pope to join Him soon.  he has lived a good long life--84 years old is nothing to sneeze at.

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Posted 01 April 2005 - 01:39 PM

The Pope is now unconscious, his breathing is shallow, blood pressure is down.  The doctors have done everything possible.  Sadly looks like end is near.  
He has lived a wonderful 84 years and he has been blessed many times over.  
He was powerful personality and took many risks during his time.

My prayers are with him.

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Posted 01 April 2005 - 01:42 PM

There have been unconfirmed reports at this time that Pope John Paul II has passed away

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Posted 01 April 2005 - 01:51 PM

Jid, on Apr 1 2005, 12:14 PM, said:

Just as a point of interest - John Paul II became pope when he was 58 - quite a vital man at the time.

It's the matter of "Pope until death" that leads popes to inevitably become frail old men.

I think it also speaks volumes in this case, that the Pope has chosen to stay in his apartment at the Vatican.  Perhaps he's come to peace with the thought of his own passing.

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Isn't it true that popes are elected from the Cardinal College?  As far as I understood, one has to work one's way up to becoming a Cardinal - first being a priest, then a Bishop then a Cardinal?  That takes a few years...and seems a very reasonable process.

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Posted 01 April 2005 - 01:51 PM

MSNBC live is saying a Vatican statement is to be made shortly, CNN I can't get looged onto the page regarding the Pope at all.

and HM you are essentially correct. There are currently 119 cardinals. Their meeting IIRC starts about 20 days after the death of the pope. That's because when the timing was originally set up they were leaving time for cardinals to travel to Rome. Since they can get there more quickly these days they really probably start their deliberations sooner but not officially.

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Posted 01 April 2005 - 01:59 PM

Yahoo has a "Pope reportedly dead, but no confirmation" headline.
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Posted 01 April 2005 - 02:18 PM

Anastashia, on Apr 1 2005, 11:51 AM, said:

There are currently 119 cardinals. Their meeting IIRC starts about 20 days after the death of the pope. That's because when the timing was originally set up they were leaving time for cardinals to travel to Rome. Since they can get there more quickly these days they really probably start their deliberations sooner but not officially.

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Partly.

I think the time also has to do with the time needed to prepare for the Pope's funeral, and then the traditional 9 day mourning period.

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Posted 01 April 2005 - 02:54 PM

According to CNN, the Vatican is denying the death reports, but I think it's onlya matter of time.

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Posted 01 April 2005 - 03:06 PM

I can't believe what a hyopcrite this pope is...Wasn't it this pope who said that the tube should NOT be removed from Terri. That no tube should be removed, that life must be preserved at ALL costs. Yet this pope has made the decision not to go to the hospital...knowing that if he doesn't he will die. Yet, he had no problem saying Terri should be made to live...Unbelievable...What a hypocrite.
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Posted 01 April 2005 - 03:26 PM

LORD of the SWORD, on Apr 1 2005, 03:06 PM, said:

I can't believe what a hyopcrite this pope is...Wasn't it this pope who said that the tube should NOT be removed from Terri. That no tube should be removed, that life must be preserved at ALL costs. Yet this pope has made the decision not to go to the hospital...knowing that if he doesn't he will die. Yet, he had no problem saying Terri should be made to live...Unbelievable...What a hypocrite.

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Where did you get that?  The reports I've read said that the pope couldn't be moved because moving him would kill him.  All the best medical care was brought TO him.  

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Posted 01 April 2005 - 03:27 PM

The Pope has a complete medical staff at his bedside.  I believe the man knows he is dying. He has been dying for the last month.  Slowly his body had been shutting down,  dealing with MANY health issues.  Afterall he is 84 years old.  
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Posted 01 April 2005 - 03:32 PM

Meh, popes seem very interchangeable to me. They are all old men, whose attitudes, morality, and worldview is at least 2 generations behind the curve.

I can't say that i'm happy for his condition, but I can't feel to bad about it either. He's an old man whose lived a long life.

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Posted 01 April 2005 - 03:33 PM

Handmaiden07, on Apr 1 2005, 03:26 PM, said:

Where did you get that?  The reports I've read said that the pope couldn't be moved because moving him would kill him.  All the best medical care was brought TO him. 

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MSNBC reported that the Pope asked if he had to go to the hospital, because he just wanted to stay in his apartment. So he KNEW he was very ill and could die. He knows life support is the only way to remain alive...yet he isn't on life support. Unless the vatican put him on it and hasn't told anyone. IMO the Pope is very much a hypocrite.
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Posted 01 April 2005 - 03:41 PM

LotS:

I think that the Pope has the equivalent of an ICU unit at the Vatican.  If reports about EKGs and EEGs are correct, if they've got those pieces of equipment, they've probably got a ventilator there as well, should he need it, and/or desire it.
I know he's got doctors and nurses there.



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