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#1 Nonprofit

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Posted 05 April 2005 - 09:07 AM

http://www.townhall....s20050405.shtml

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Liberal Attitudes

Liberals may think of themselves as people who believe in certain principles but, if you observe their actual behavior, you are likely to discover that most liberals have a certain set of attitudes, rather than principles.

Liberals may denounce "greed," for example, but in practice it all depends on whose greed. Nothing the government does is ever likely to be called "greed" by liberals.

Even when the government confiscated more than half the income of some people in taxes, that was not greed, as far as the left was concerned. Nor is it greed in their eyes when local politicians across the country bulldoze whole working class neighborhoods, destroying homes that people spent a lifetime sacrificing to buy, and paying them less than the market value of those homes through legal chicanery.

Even when the land seized under "eminent domain" laws are turned over to casinos, hotels, or shopping malls -- places that will pay more taxes than working class homeowners -- liberals can never seem to work up the outrage that they display when denouncing "greed" on the part of businesses whose prices are higher than liberals think they should be.

It is not the principle of sacrificing other people's economic interests to your own that causes liberals to denounce greed. It is a question of who does it and what the liberals' attitudes are to those segments of the population.

Politicians who ruin local homeowners, in order to get hold of more tax money to finance programs that will increase the politicians' chances of being re-elected, are just meeting the "needs" of the community, as far as many liberals are concerned.

Whatever the issue, it is usually not the principle but the attitude which determines where liberals stand. Just rattle off a list of social groups -- the police, blacks, environmentalists, multinational corporations -- and you will have a pretty good idea of which way liberals are likely to lean, even if you have no idea what particular issue may arise.

Recent liberal denunciations of federal intervention to over-ride Florida law in the Terri Schiavo case were made by the same people who supported recent federal intervention to over-ride the laws of more than a dozen states when the Supreme Court banned the execution of murderers who were not yet 18 years old.

You can count on the same liberals to cheer if the federal courts over-ride both state laws and referenda opposing gay marriage. It is not the principle. It is the attitude.

"Diversity" has become one of the crusades of liberals, especially academic liberals. But, in a country that is pretty closely divided politically, it is not at all uncommon to find a whole academic department -- sociology, for example -- without a single Republican today or for the past three decades.

Academia is virtually a liberal monopoly but they show no misgivings about the lack of diversity of ideas on campus. It is only physical diversity that arouses the passions of liberals because that engages their attitudes toward particular social groups.

Liberals have often been critical of college fraternities for being exclusive but have seldom been critical of all-black student organizations or even all-black dormitories. Liberals have succeeded in virtually eliminating all-male colleges but applaud the role of women's colleges.

Again, it is not principles but attitudes.

Among liberals' most cherished views of themselves is that they are in favor of promoting the well-being of minorities in general and blacks in particular. But here again, it all depends on which segments of the minority community are involved.

Black welfare recipients or even black criminals have received great amounts of liberal political and journalistic support over the years. However, the great majority of blacks, who are neither criminals nor welfare recipients but are in fact their main victims, have their interests subordinated to the interests of their unsavory neighbors who are more in vogue in liberal circles.

Whatever the merits or demerits of liberal principles, those principles are often far less important than the attitudes which have become the hallmarks of contemporary liberalism.


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Posted 05 April 2005 - 09:58 AM

This article didn't impress me. Though it didn't sound hate-mongering to me, I don't think the guy ever really said why liberals had attitudes rather than principles, and didn't say why such was bad.

His original point just sort of divolved from that point into just trying to make every single liberal look like a hypocrite. Once you get a group as large as "liberal" or "conservative," it's hard not to show how some member of that group did something that's seemingly out of step.

I'm not even sure if all the things he talked about were even solely done by "liberals"

#3 Lin731

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Posted 05 April 2005 - 10:08 AM

Seems to me, that you've in many respects defined the current Neo Conservative movement more that any Liberal one.

Largest increases in big governement...Republican creations from Reagan forward. The only downsizing in big government occurred when Clinton was in office.

Big spending....again, every Republican President from Reagan forward has had larger debt and deficits than his predecessor (again, except for Clinton).

States rights....nothing but lip service from both parties on that one so it's really not a liberal or conservative problem exclusively but a general Federal government problem. Look at Ashcroft sticking his nose into State and local governance on medical pot and assisted suicide. They were approved locally by the people but in stepped Ashcroft...So where was the respect for States Rights there? The GOP has abused their power in ways I have never seen prior to this administration and I HOPE never to see again and I beleive that's why they are slipping downward in the polls. People of both parties don't like to see a Bully Pulpit and that's what we've had. While I see many complaints from the right about "Judical activism" I see from them, one power grab after another and attempts to upsurp the judical system when it suits them to regardless of the constitutionality of their actions as well as attempts to either add an ammendment  the Constitution or ignore the parts of the existing Constitution that don't suit their own agenda...

As for judical activism in general terms...That comes down to defination. What you would call judical activism, others call upholding the spirit of the Constitution and striking down laws and legislation that is Unconstitutional or that infringes on peoples civil rights. Either the Constitution is a living, breathing document or it's as dead as the paper it's written on. The world evolves, social standards changes and progresses, the Constitutional interpetation will do the same because it is by nessesity general in it's guidelines.
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Posted 05 April 2005 - 10:35 AM

Lin731, on Apr 5 2005, 07:08 AM, said:

Seems to me, that you've in many respects defined the current Neo Conservative movement more that any Liberal one.

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Yes, seems to me, too.  

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Posted 05 April 2005 - 11:57 AM

<yawn> Boring rhetoric, absence of facts...same old.  :eek4:
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Posted 05 April 2005 - 12:04 PM

GoldenCoal, on Apr 5 2005, 09:58 AM, said:

This article didn't impress me. Though it didn't sound hate-mongering to me

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That was the impression I got.

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Seems to me, that you've in many respects defined the current Neo Conservative movement more that any Liberal one.

Ah so now it's going to be the "I'm rubber, you're glue" name calling? Interesting.
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The Left is inclusive, and tolerant, unless you happen to think and believe different than they do~ Lord of the Sword

Looks like the Liberal Elite of Exisle have finally managed to silence the last remaining Conservative voice on the board.

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#7 Zwolf

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Posted 05 April 2005 - 12:07 PM

There's bait, and then there's chum.

I'm more impressed when people tell me what they believe  rather than trying to tell me what they think somebody else believes.  

I've seen and heard enough to know that if I refuted in kind, there'd be much wailing about "persecution."  So, nice effort, but no thanks.   Try it on the Yahoo boards, maybe you'll find what you're looking for.

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#8 Lin731

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Posted 05 April 2005 - 12:21 PM

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Ah so now it's going to be the "I'm rubber, you're glue" name calling? Interesting.

What name calling? I didn't give neo conservatives that title, they call themselves that and given that a large chunk of the administration is made up of neo conservatives....As for my comments regarding the current neo conservative movement, can you point to where I'm wrong in what I pointed out?
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Posted 05 April 2005 - 12:24 PM

Lots of assertions, the usual bile directed towards academics, and zero concrete evidence to back up anything.  Boring.

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Posted 05 April 2005 - 02:03 PM

Zwolf666, on Apr 5 2005, 09:07 AM, said:

There's bait, and then there's chum.

I'm more impressed when people tell me what they believe  rather than trying to tell me what they think somebody else believes. 

I couldn't agree more.  

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Posted 05 April 2005 - 02:10 PM

LORD of the SWORD, on Apr 5 2005, 01:04 PM, said:

GoldenCoal, on Apr 5 2005, 09:58 AM, said:

This article didn't impress me. Though it didn't sound hate-mongering to me

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That was the impression I got.

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Seems to me, that you've in many respects defined the current Neo Conservative movement more that any Liberal one.

Ah so now it's going to be the "I'm rubber, you're glue" name calling? Interesting.

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No name calling that I can see. Feeling guilty LoS?
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#12 Lord of the Sword

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Posted 05 April 2005 - 02:13 PM

Kosh, on Apr 5 2005, 02:10 PM, said:

No name calling that I can see. Feeling guilty LoS?

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Not in the least....
"Sometimes you get the point of the sword, sometimes the edge, sometimes the flat of the blade (even if you're the Lord of the Sword) and sometimes you're the guy wielding it. But any day without the Sword or its Lord is one that could've been better  " ~Orpheus.

The Left is inclusive, and tolerant, unless you happen to think and believe different than they do~ Lord of the Sword

Looks like the Liberal Elite of Exisle have finally managed to silence the last remaining Conservative voice on the board.

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#13 Nonny

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Posted 05 April 2005 - 07:55 PM

Since having an open mind is one of the hallmarks of liberalism, I thought I'd rethink my response.  

Hey, the neocons think we got 'tude!  :cool:  :cool:  :cool:

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#14 G1223

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Posted 05 April 2005 - 08:15 PM

Yeah open mind... Yeah right. :whistle:
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Posted 05 April 2005 - 09:24 PM

Hey, folks.  Gather 'round the campfire.  Lean back against a nice tree stump or the person next to you, an' I'll tune up the old twelve-string.  Ever'body ready?  Here we go.

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Posted 05 April 2005 - 09:42 PM

Woooooooooohoooooooooooooooooo! Can the SMORES be far behind?!
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Posted 05 April 2005 - 10:08 PM

Don't bogart that marshmellow, my friend, hand it over to me.  

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Posted 05 April 2005 - 10:19 PM

Mind you ladies don't burn your fingers, now.  Somebody take the descant on this one.

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Remember me to one who lives there
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Without no seams nor needle work
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Parsley, sage, rosemary and thyme
Where ne'er a drop of water e'er fell
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Between salt water and the sea strands
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And gather it all in a bunch of heather
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Parsley, sage, rosemary and thyme
Remember me to one who lives there
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Posted 06 April 2005 - 12:51 AM

G1223, on Apr 5 2005, 06:15 PM, said:

Yeah open mind... Yeah right. :whistle:

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There's a huge difference between having an open mind and agreeing with everything someone says.  Open mind = considering and agreeing, disagreeing, or being neutral.  Closed mind = "I'm right, everyone else is wrong" or "I've already made up my mind and that's final!".  The author of this article did a great deal of complaining and accusing.  Some of it's true, much of it omits information and twists facts for purely political reasons.  *shrug*  It happens all the time from people in both major parties and from all ends of the spectrum.  The fact that people here are disregarding this article as having little substance is an example of analyzing and making a judgment, not being closed-minded.

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Posted 06 April 2005 - 01:06 AM

there's another 'writer' throwing around those words like they're some kind of species - 'the left', 'liberals' ...

and talking in ways that scream 'those guys over there, those ones who are sooooooo way not us'

dontcha jus hate someone talking about some 'type' people in such a disattached way? I wonder ....

just what type label does 'that guy' pin upon his own lapel?
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I really really stay away from reading those type things ... so why did I read this one, you ask? sorta goes with that other topic above about 'links in posts' ... I didn't see any caption that really told me what it would be about, so you either click or not, without knowing what it is ... and that's why I read that, and 1/4 way through ... he got me dander up!!
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