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#61 Rhea

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Posted 23 April 2005 - 09:25 PM

Digital Man, on Apr 23 2005, 07:25 AM, said:

nutmeg, on Apr 22 2005, 12:15 AM, said:

I have been a teacher for 20+ years. It's very simple. Adults don't have sex with children, period. No excuses. Teachers don't have sex with students, period.  No excuses.

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That makes three of us.

In fairness, what I said to the Handmaiden about segregating sexes is that it's an interesting discussion, but IMO unrelated to the questions of teachers who have sex with their students, because regardless the problem wouldn't resolve itself, especially if there's a pathology involved. In other words, teachers inclined to have sex with students are going to have sex with students. They should be prosecuted. Period.

The question of how to make teachers aware of how wrong and sometimes just plain sick such behavior is is a good one. We train teachers to teach; we should also train them on how to conduct themselves so that they're a role model for their students. I work with a number of really fine teachers - and from what I've seen most teachers are overworked, underpaid and do their jobs out of a love for teaching.  In the current climate, with the President instituting and under-funding the No Child Left Behind act, they're REALLY going to have to stay on out of love for the job because now they're not only NOT getting paid what they're worth, but they're having to jump through hoops to prove to the Feds that they're worthy to be teaching in the first place.  :unsure:  :angry:

Unfortunately, just as in the general population, there are always going to be the odd teachers with emotional problems or who are just plain sick. Sad, but the whole profession shouldn't be held to task for the problems of a few.
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Posted 23 April 2005 - 10:32 PM

Rhea, on Apr 23 2005, 09:25 PM, said:

The question of how to make teachers aware of how wrong and sometimes just plain sick such behavior is is a good one. We train teachers to teach; we should also train them on how to conduct themselves so that they're a role model for their students.

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What's sickening is that such a question has to be posed in the first place.  :glare: :barf:  :crazy:  :wacko:

We might be sexual beings, but sheesh....!! I bet this is one of the reasons some parents, if they could, would try for home schooling or a private tutor if they could afford it.   :eh:
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Posted 24 April 2005 - 06:31 AM

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Me: It seems that this kind of over-identification with adolescents may be at the root of the problem. Certainly, that is harder for young teachers, which is why I think all schools ought to assign the young'uns to mentors who can help them deal with relationships with students--negative and positive--like adult professionals.

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Anakam: I absolutely agree, but unless an older teacher assigns themselves to someone unofficially during a mutual planning hour or lunch or something, I really don't see it happening very widely.

Yep, I wondered about how to implement a mentoring program for beginning teachers, too. Whenever I've heard about mentoring, I've thought it a good idea, but, having been a teacher, I've wondered how on earth a mentor is supposed to find more time in the day.

In order for mentoring to work, I think that first-year teachers should be assigned to co-teach for a year with a more seasoned pro. This would necessarily put the two in close contact so that the younger teacher could observe how the older deals with students (and teaching, of course) and so that the older could observe the younger. This could be enormously helpful to both, and ultimately to the students. Of course, it would cost $. But since starting salaries tend to be low and senior faculty's salaries tend to be high, I think an argument could be made for it.

Most of what I learned about teaching came from those lunch table/ teacher's lounge discussions I had with older, more experienced teachers who gave me invaluable advice on how to deal with students with crushes, students with attitudes, underperforming students, etc.  The values of a school are communicated in those settings. Unfortunately, they're brief and much depends on the luck of the draw. Not every older teacher at the lunch table is necessarily wiser.

HandMaiden made an excellent point up there somewhere about how a young high school teacher is often not so far removed in age from his/her students. A solid mentoring program could, I think, help the young teacher acquire the necessary professional distance from students that are almost old enough to be peers.

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Posted 24 April 2005 - 01:58 PM

Do they have 'student teachers' in the US? These would be teachers who haven't completed their education certificate yet, but work with regular teachers to conduct classes/help students.
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Posted 24 April 2005 - 02:17 PM

ZipperInt, on Apr 24 2005, 02:58 PM, said:

Do they have 'student teachers' in the US? These would be teachers who haven't completed their education certificate yet, but work with regular teachers to conduct classes/help students.

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Yes ZipperInt but that is in your last year of college (for you Brits university) so you are generally 20 or 21. Once you receive your Bachelor's degree you also get your teaching certificate if you were in an education program. Although it may still be a provisional one it still allows you to be hired to any teaching position on your own.
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Posted 25 April 2005 - 06:56 PM

The Mary Kay LaTourneau/Vili Palaou interview starts Thursday on ET and The Insider.

I'm one of those in the never category and I'm not even sure I want to watch this at all but I thought I'd mention it in case there was any interest.
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Posted 26 April 2005 - 12:53 PM

Avalon, on Apr 21 2005, 07:06 PM, said:

Nonny, on Apr 21 2005, 07:46 PM, said:

I get to see Eric Idle Sunday!  :happy:  :happy:  :happy:

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WHAT?!!!   :eek4:   You get to see Spamalot?  My daughter's been bugging me to take her for ages.  Or is EI appearing by himself in some other venue on Sunday?  [Invader Zim]TELLLL meeeee![/Invader Zim]  

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Other venue.  LA Festival of Books.  :)  One of the questions he was asked was how soon will Spamalot come to LA.  :)  I'll post more about it at General Media Discussion, later, if I ever make it there.  Much catching up today!  :rolleyes:

Avalon, on Apr 21 2005, 07:06 PM, said:

I did!  :happy:  :happy:  :happy:

Vicious Maggot, on Apr 22 2005, 07:41 PM, said:

Their were two Catholic schools by his school. One girls, one boys. The big thing seemed to be meeting at the park halfway between and desegregating.  ;)

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Our local Catholic high schools for girls and boys were just down the beach from each other, and much desegregating was done there too.  :p  

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