

It's Okay If You're A Republican, chapter MCMXXXIV
#81
Posted 05 May 2005 - 09:04 PM

#82
Posted 05 May 2005 - 09:37 PM
Observe the sequence of events:
First connie says this:
Consubstantial, on May 4 2005, 11:52 AM, said:
Then Kevin said:
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To which Connie replied:
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To which Kevin replied:
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All through the thread you've been using very strong language to dismiss the arguments of your opponents, but calling Mr.Calgary's post "revisionist bull****" is too much. This kind of rhetoric reaches the level of a personal insult, and there will be an edit request. We're here to debate things, not to argue.
I don't know what gets said in the sl so how it is you expect me to know that is beyond me. But based on what's been said in THIS thread it seems obvious that Kevin's last comment to Zack was directly in response to connie's comparisons of this thread to the zwolf thread.
So if that's what "Martians" look like to you, then that's your business. To me it looks very straight forward.
Lil
Edited by Una Salus Lillius, 05 May 2005 - 09:38 PM.

#83
Posted 05 May 2005 - 09:48 PM
and thank you ever so much Delvo for noting that we the staff sure do seem to be damned if we do and damned if we don't.
edited cause I can't spell
Edited by Shalamar, 05 May 2005 - 09:48 PM.
Respect for One's Self / Respect for Others / Responsibility for One's Words & Actions.

#84
Posted 05 May 2005 - 10:14 PM
Una Salus Lillius, on May 5 2005, 09:37 PM, said:
Una Salus Lillius, on May 5 2005, 09:37 PM, said:
And plenty of evidence of other factors involved were in plain site right here, that you apparently ignored (the multiple other posts that had been made between KS's post and the previous one, the names he actually named as having done something wrong, and the fact that they were the same names as the authors of those in-between posts).
#85
Posted 05 May 2005 - 10:26 PM
Frankly I don't see a problem with any of those three. Lively discussion is healthy (even if I happen to think Delvo is full of it in this instance...oops, I mean, "wildly erroneous").
Lil

#86
Posted 05 May 2005 - 10:32 PM
Then you link to the same thread and express your same feeling that the previous critics of Heinz Kerry are hypocritical. You've made your same point. However, you've not called out to a specific member (in a way that sounds like a challenge) and you haven't generalized about all Republicans but have targeted specifically those who came down hard on Teresa and Whoopi but excuse Laura Bush.
That's not that much of a change, but it does take the personal tone out of the thread, at least at its start.
Cardie
#87
Posted 05 May 2005 - 10:33 PM

"Don't mistake a few fans bitching on the Internet for any kind of trend." - Keith R.A. DeCandido
#88
Posted 05 May 2005 - 11:31 PM
Cardie, on May 6 2005, 03:32 AM, said:
Then you link to the same thread and express your same feeling that the previous critics of Heinz Kerry are hypocritical. You've made your same point. However, you've not called out to a specific member (in a way that sounds like a challenge) and you haven't generalized about all Republicans but have targeted specifically those who came down hard on Teresa and Whoopi but excuse Laura Bush.
That's not that much of a change, but it does take the personal tone out of the thread, at least at its start.
Cardie
Cardie, as always your sagacity puts the rest of us to shame. You're absolutely right, and I regret that I let my residual irritation at a few of last year's election-related threads bleed over into the tone of my thread-starting post. I'm still a little perplexed by some of the moderator actions and I stand by the substance of my initial comments, but I wish I'd done it the way you suggested instead, and I apologize to the board at large for not providing a better example in setting the tone here.
Consider it a lesson learned.
We shall harness for God the energies of Love.
Then, for the second time in the history of the world,
we will have discovered fire."
--Father Pierre Teilhard de Chardin
#89
Posted 05 May 2005 - 11:40 PM
And if you want to save these shores. For Pity sake Don't Trust them.
paraphrased from H. "Breaker" Morant
TANSTAAFL
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When the fall is all that remains. It matters a great deal.
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#90
Posted 06 May 2005 - 03:36 AM
Una Salus Lillius said:
God knows I don't want to bump this thread again, but to answer your question: no, my post was written before I'd read Consubstantial's last post. I'd been composing it for awhile, and then posted without refreshing the thread first. After I saw her post, I edited mine to include a response to her at the bottom.
And no, we've been watching this thread and debating what to do long before Connie's first post as well, so the action taken here wasn't in response to anyone's specific complaint. Sometimes things that seem obvious aren't, really.
#91
Posted 06 May 2005 - 08:31 AM


#92
Posted 06 May 2005 - 08:40 AM
(Okay, she doesn't really do that, but the thread has drifted so far that I figure I may as well be obnoxious and amuse somebody, if only myself.

Anyway, I've examined the patterns on the board and I've discovered that there is a pretty big bias around here... but, it's not against conservatives, and it's not against liberals. Nope. The bias around here is against people with a "Z" in their initials.
Yep. Me 'n' Zack are an oppressed minority. And I'm filled with remorse when I think if that one guy who was chased off from a terrible combination of ya'll's meanness and his own damnable free will... poor ZZTopFan, he was doomed from the start, he never even had a chance! Come back, ZZTopFan, come baaaaaaccck!
Anyway, regarding the in-fighting over Laura's routine, that's one of the dangers of strongly allying one's political party with religion. It's tough to get elected without doing that, but it's almost impossible to maintain harmony if you do, because one thing religions are really, really good at is creating schisms. Any variation from complete uniformity will result in all kinds of sects and violence. That's why the South is jam-packed with churches, and most of 'em are Baptist. They keep breaking off and splintering so they can snipe at each other, 'cuz one says dancing is sinful and the other one doesn't, etc. It's pretty funny from my bring-'em-all-down standpoint, but probably kinda sad from theirs. There'll likely be big problems down the road from that.
Cheers,
Zwolf
And I'll feel even better
When your life has nothing to do with mine."
-Pittbull, "No Love Lost"
"There are things that I'd like to say
But I'm never talking to you again
There's things I'd like to phrase some way
But I'm never talking to you again
I'm never talking to you again
I'm never talking to you
I'm tired of wasting all my time
Trying to talk to you
I'd put you down where you belong
But I'm never talking to you again
I'd show you everywhere you're wrong
But I'm never talking to you again
I'm never talking to you again
I'm never talking to you
I'm tired of wasting all my time
Trying to talk to you
I'm never talking to you again
I'm never talking to you
I'm tired of wasting all my time
Trying to talk to you."
- Husker Du, "Never Talking To You Again"
#93
Posted 06 May 2005 - 09:08 AM
I don't know if Kerry's wife had done the same thing whether we'd be in an uproar... it would probably depend on how good she is as a joke teller, these things aren't black/white.
What I'm more concerned about if this is a publicity image ploy.... To soften Bush's image... How often have we seen Bush's lighter side (granted, I'd hope you Americans would see it more often than I do).
I mean he is human, but I don't like that this could be being done to make him more likable... who cares if he is likable or not, what kind of job is he doing? While we debate this, and laugh (or cry) over this, what are we not paying attention to that is much more important?
Rule#1: Believe the Autocrat.
Rule#2: Do not be taken in by small signs of normality.
Rule#3: Institutions will not save you.
Rule#4: Be outraged.
Rule#5: Don't make compromises.
Rule#6: Remember the future.
- Masha Gessen
Source: http://www2.nybooks....r-survival.html
#94
Posted 06 May 2005 - 09:12 AM
waterpanther, on May 5 2005, 10:04 PM, said:
LOL Waterpanther

(reading backwards through the thread playing catch-up, no one mind me

Rule#1: Believe the Autocrat.
Rule#2: Do not be taken in by small signs of normality.
Rule#3: Institutions will not save you.
Rule#4: Be outraged.
Rule#5: Don't make compromises.
Rule#6: Remember the future.
- Masha Gessen
Source: http://www2.nybooks....r-survival.html
#95
Posted 06 May 2005 - 11:13 AM
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Cardie, as always your sagacity puts the rest of us to shame. You're absolutely right, and I regret that I let my residual irritation at a few of last year's election-related threads bleed over into the tone of my thread-starting post. I'm still a little perplexed by some of the moderator actions and I stand by the substance of my initial comments, but I wish I'd done it the way you suggested instead, and I apologize to the board at large for not providing a better example in setting the tone here.
Consider it a lesson learned.
I had decided not to post my opinion in this thread because the title was a bit "off" to me.
Zack, I also accept and appreciate the appolgy. Sometimes we learn lessons the hard way.
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Anyway, I've examined the patterns on the board and I've discovered that there is a pretty big bias around here... but, it's not against conservatives, and it's not against liberals. Nope. The bias around here is against people with a "Z" in their initials.
Hmmm bias because you have a "Z" in your initials. So, that could be my problem with all the interesting conversations I've encountered, considering my last name starts with a "Z".

RuReddy
#96
Posted 06 May 2005 - 11:34 AM

And Kevin, thank you for the clarification.
My apologies for being a bit cantankerous last night.
Lil

#97
Posted 06 May 2005 - 12:05 PM
"zwolf" said:
(Okay, she doesn't really do that, but the thread has drifted so far that I figure I may as well be obnoxious and amuse somebody, if only myself. )
Well, that's what the hand gesture you mention is for, amusing yourself!


Edited by HubcapDave, 06 May 2005 - 12:06 PM.
#98
Posted 06 May 2005 - 01:37 PM


I just want to add one thing:
I delayed participating because I was trying to figure out what this first post or thread was all about, and I probably still miss the point, but I'll guess and say that to me it's off the mark -
for one thing, the NYTimes is not 'the media' (don't we all know THAT by now?); and for another, to say that 'the media' is hypocrytical this week, or 'the media' says one thing then another ... there are five thousand newspapers in our country (or whatever that number is) and almost that many tv news/opinion 'fair and trying to be balanced' stations and 'hosts' ... and heck even the UK has hundreds now .... and some say some things and others say other things .... so I think it's a moot point to try to say that 'the media' says .... anything ....
and even if some media report what is said in the press association shindigs, which is their want, I mean: c'mon! .... Laura can still say what SHE has Without studying any compare/contrast like the media seem to think is Their mission; what does SHE care what Mrs Kerry said when She, Laura, is doing her bit with her own husband in the association dinner??
My say: over (and mine was from a not-Bushie milkcrate) .... Kevin say: cool, chill, play nice nice .... Peace, ten-four (does any living soul even remember that anymore?!) .... and out

#99
Posted 07 May 2005 - 08:49 AM
Zwolf666, on May 6 2005, 05:40 AM, said:
HubcapDave, on May 6 2005, 09:05 AM, said:
"zwolf" said:
(Okay, she doesn't really do that, but the thread has drifted so far that I figure I may as well be obnoxious and amuse somebody, if only myself. )





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#100
Posted 07 May 2005 - 08:54 AM

Nonny

The once and future Nonny
"Give a man a gun and he can rob a bank, give a man a bank and he can rob the world." Can anyone tell me who I am quoting? I found this with no attribution.
Fatal miscarriages are forever.
Stupid is stupid, this I believe. And ignorance is the worst kind of stupid, since ignorance is a choice. Suzanne Brockmann
All things must be examined, debated, investigated without exception and without regard for anyone's feelings. Diderot
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