G1223, on May 20 2005, 04:33 PM, said:
I truely do not know Spectacles. I do know that Newspeak made up a story. I know that the way the lie of the Koran flushing is being taken this way. "This story is not true but it is based on truth."
What we are seeing is the liberal media trying to fall all over itself to protect a story that is not true. When I went to school you were not suppose to use lies to support a news story. I guess that under the newer liberal method of teaching lying is acceptable as long as it's aimed at conservatives.
G, have you been actually reading the thread? Because it appears from what you're writing that you haven't. So here's a helpful recap:
1: The report has not been shown to be untrue. One of the story's sources who said he saw the Koran desecration (which they had an eyewitness confirmation of) described in a specific military report later backed down and said he couldn't remember which report it appeared in. That's all.
2: The central allegations contained in the report aren't new, but have been reported by multiple sources.
3: The writer who reported it is a longtime friend of the conservative media establishment, and various right wingers have vouched for him.
4: The chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the commanding general went on record saying the riots weren't caused by the report. Yet seemingly, some people here would rather believe the "liberal media" than the American military!
So just because you "know" something doesn't actually make it true.
And lost in the hysterical chest-beating over one story in a weekly newsmagazine is the larger issue of why people in Afghanistan and Pakistan are so willing to believe the worst about what happens to muslims in American prisons. It couldn't have anything to do with cases like this, could it?
"The prisoner, a slight, 22-year-old taxi driver known only as Dilawar, was hauled from his cell at the detention center in Bagram, Afghanistan, at around 2 a.m. to answer questions about a rocket attack on an American base. When he arrived in the interrogation room, an interpreter who was present said, his legs were bouncing uncontrollably in the plastic chair and his hands were numb. He had been chained by the wrists to the top of his cell for much of the previous four days. . . .
At the interrogators' behest, a guard tried to force the young man to his knees. But his legs, which had been pummeled by guards for several days, could no longer bend. An interrogator told Mr. Dilawar that he could see a doctor after they finished with him. When he was finally sent back to his cell, though, the guards were instructed only to chain the prisoner back to the ceiling. . . .
Several hours passed before an emergency room doctor finally saw Mr. Dilawar. By then he was dead, his body beginning to stiffen. It would be many months before Army investigators learned a final horrific detail: Most of the interrogators had believed Mr. Dilawar was an innocent man who simply drove his taxi past the American base at the wrong time."
That's from a 2,000 page Army report on prisoner abuse, torture, and yes, murder, at Bagram air base in Afghanistan-- a place a lot closer on the map to Jalalabad and Peshawar than Gitmo or Abu Ghraib. But by all means, feel free to keep believing that one story in Newsweek magazine is the real reason why large numbers of people are ready to believe the worst about American treatment of muslims.
"Some day, after we have mastered the wind, the waves, the tides, and gravity,
We shall harness for God the energies of Love.
Then, for the second time in the history of the world,
we will have discovered fire."
--Father Pierre Teilhard de Chardin