

Activist Judge Tosses First Amendment
#21
Posted 29 May 2005 - 01:12 PM
It's all a matter of remembering Judges are human.
What we as Americans have to do is be aware of such things and voice our opinion about it-ie The freedom of speech. In other words do not let the absurdity and insanity get out of hand, well maybe even get started.
I remember back in like 1991 (I think) there was the whole issue of unwed mother's-Quayle had opened his big mouth about the LA riots being caused by Murphy Brown and poor unwed mother's of LA.
There was a young woman (18) in the Midwest who had a child out of wed lock but the father was an active part of the childs life. Then when she decided to go to College and put the child in a daycare the young man and his mother (who had been keeping the child) took her to court and won custody of the child. The infuriating thing was that the judge cited it was because of her not being able to provide for the child a home the way the young man could with his mothers help. Here's this young woman trying to better her life and subsequently her child's life and because of placing the child in a daycare meant she would lose the child.
I believe this was overturned also and she got the kid back but another case of a Judge making a decision that proved how very human he was.
Anyways it got attention-people voiced their opinions and I believe that actually does have a say in what the final outcome is. Just my opinion of course.
But there is something happening right now in the good ol' USA that is scary and that's why we have to voice our opinion, outrage, fears etc.
"I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Democrat." Will Rogers
#22
Posted 29 May 2005 - 01:12 PM
You just might want to read the article before commenting, Ogami.
I am perfectly capable of reading articles without your permission or your interpretation of said article. It is not a crime to have a different opinion than Waterpanther. Surprise!
-Ogami
#23
Posted 29 May 2005 - 01:19 PM

My sincere apologies. I do tend to forget that, by their own admission, Bush and his most ardent admirers don't inhabit the same "reality-based" universe as the rest of us.

#24
Posted 29 May 2005 - 02:07 PM
Now I am a Rupublican and a Hoosier. Yes it's going to get overturned. The Judge made a boob out of himself a lot of people here are jumping on him. That is from both parties.
And if you want to save these shores. For Pity sake Don't Trust them.
paraphrased from H. "Breaker" Morant
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#25
Posted 29 May 2005 - 03:09 PM
Ogami, on May 29 2005, 06:11 PM, said:
Where did you find what was presented to the judge about Wicca? Or about the "unfitness for parenting"?
Read the Thread title. The issue is not an "Activist judge", but what the judge was shown to result in this ruling. That's what I'd like to know, just the facts of what actually happened in the case.
-Ogami
I still didn't see the text of the report the Judge received from the Domestic Relations Bureau, only that the Judge, based on the report from the Bureau, had concerns over the conflicting viewpoints between where the child was educated during the schoolweek and the rest of his life in the pagan community. I can see where that would be a conflict without making a judgment call on either belief system. I can also see where this year old issue would have come to the forefront immediately had the Judge ruled that the child be removed from the Catholic school and educated in a non-religious environment so as not to be in conflict with his parents' pagan beliefs. I would like to see the report the Bureau presented to the Judge. The practice of Wicca does vary from adherent to adherent and there may be factors the general public is not privy to that may explain this Judge's ruling which is contrary to law. If the Judge had said these parents are not to expose their child to their practice of sex magic, skyclad services, or the like, his ruling might be more understandable.
#26
Posted 29 May 2005 - 03:15 PM
If so, please let me know how human beings are to style their hair this year. I need a haircut and don't want to start a furor.
#27
Posted 29 May 2005 - 04:48 PM
And if you want to save these shores. For Pity sake Don't Trust them.
paraphrased from H. "Breaker" Morant
TANSTAAFL
If you voted for Obama then all the mistakes he makes are your fault and I will point this out to you every time he does mess up.
When the fall is all that remains. It matters a great deal.
All hail the clich's all emcompassing shadow.
My playing well with other's skill has been vastly overrated
Member of the Order of the Knigths of the Woeful Countance.
#28
Posted 29 May 2005 - 05:29 PM
Wiccans and other Pagans I know who are raising their children in the faith not only remain clothed but tend toward long robes for both sexes. The article explicitly states that this couple's group--or ex-couple's group, I should say--does not go skyclad.

#29
Posted 29 May 2005 - 09:28 PM
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#30
Posted 29 May 2005 - 09:55 PM


#31
Posted 29 May 2005 - 10:09 PM
#32
Posted 29 May 2005 - 10:47 PM
waterpanther, on May 29 2005, 06:55 PM, said:

Nonny

The once and future Nonny
"Give a man a gun and he can rob a bank, give a man a bank and he can rob the world." Can anyone tell me who I am quoting? I found this with no attribution.
Fatal miscarriages are forever.
Stupid is stupid, this I believe. And ignorance is the worst kind of stupid, since ignorance is a choice. Suzanne Brockmann
All things must be examined, debated, investigated without exception and without regard for anyone's feelings. Diderot
#33
Posted 30 May 2005 - 01:32 PM
offworlder, on May 28 2005, 03:06 PM, said:

~.~ How it is viewed has no bearing. That pesky right to freedom of religion takes care of that.

~shoot~ I would still be married if I had go to Reno to hide my pagan ways, I have no money for such a trip.

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~.~ Tell me you are kidding.

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~.~ No, he can't, he did, but he can't.
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~.~ ah, so hide it, be ashamed, more kidding, right?

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~.~ Exactly. This kind of info had no bearing on the fitness of the parents or the stability of the home, this was a personal agenda by the judge.
HubcapDave, on May 28 2005, 05:57 PM, said:
~.~ hi Dave, If you were the parent, would you be thinking that this was simply a bad day on the judge's part or would you be angry about your parental rights being infringed upon?
I know I wouldn't give a flying fig if this was a bad day for him, I'd just know I was gonna make his day worse.
~ blue crystal glows, the dark side unseen, sparkles in scant light, from sun to planet, to me in between ~
I want a job in HRC's "shadow" cabinet. Good pay, really easy hours, lots of time off. Can't go wrong.
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#34
Posted 31 May 2005 - 01:49 PM
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I know I wouldn't give a flying fig if this was a bad day for him, I'd just know I was gonna make his day worse.
Were I the parent, I would certainly be pissed.
Mind you, I am not saying that this decision was improper. The was a bad move on the judge's part. What I object to is some people's (like the originator of this thread) use of this story to try and make it a broader based issue so that he can call members of the Ruplublican party hypocrites.
#35
Posted 31 May 2005 - 02:23 PM
And if you want to save these shores. For Pity sake Don't Trust them.
paraphrased from H. "Breaker" Morant
TANSTAAFL
If you voted for Obama then all the mistakes he makes are your fault and I will point this out to you every time he does mess up.
When the fall is all that remains. It matters a great deal.
All hail the clich's all emcompassing shadow.
My playing well with other's skill has been vastly overrated
Member of the Order of the Knigths of the Woeful Countance.
#36
Posted 31 May 2005 - 02:38 PM
Back in 1999 when Clinton was in and things were coming out in the press about him and certain people were posting on boards about all this and making comments about how he was such a bad man for having oral sex and then lying about it-that was okay?
But for those of us who are interested in reading about how The Republicans who have this Religious Right agenda and let's Stick with the Constitution statements being made we can't come back and say-Wait a minute! What about this or what about that?

Oh and by the way most Democrats came out and stated that Clinton was wrong for what he did.
"I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Democrat." Will Rogers
#37
Posted 01 June 2005 - 01:13 AM
And if you want to save these shores. For Pity sake Don't Trust them.
paraphrased from H. "Breaker" Morant
TANSTAAFL
If you voted for Obama then all the mistakes he makes are your fault and I will point this out to you every time he does mess up.
When the fall is all that remains. It matters a great deal.
All hail the clich's all emcompassing shadow.
My playing well with other's skill has been vastly overrated
Member of the Order of the Knigths of the Woeful Countance.
#38
Posted 01 June 2005 - 02:03 AM
Having said that, this one is bound to be reversed on appeal. There is no way this foolish judgment will be allowed to stand in such blatent contradiction to the first.
I wonder where the writer of the DRCB report got their information about what the child was being taught - some hysterical anti-everything-but-my-faith website? Obviously not a practising wiccan, it sounds like.
#39
Posted 01 June 2005 - 06:56 AM
G1223, on Jun 1 2005, 06:13 AM, said:
Yes and so many people died because of it.
And he's also the first to lie under oath.
"I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Democrat." Will Rogers
#40
Posted 01 June 2005 - 07:54 AM
Lil

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