Why should they sue the French? It's nottheir fault, their shops are looted, and they need water, they weren't the ones dropping the bombs on them.
That came out unclear in my post. I mean that the Iraqis should be suing US for water and whatnot. The interviews I've seen on tv are really disheartening. The people are without anything.
Okay, the anti-semitic atmosphere in here is toxic, but I will just say because I think hate and ignorance needs to be confronted and not simply accepted, that I find Gode and Chipper's comments extremely offensive and narrowminded.
I'm not trying to be antisemtiic. I just feel that the continuing demands for compensation by the Holocaust victims isn't needed. Like I said, I think that the crimes committed against the Jews are terrible, but why is this still continuing? THe current government isn't the regime of 60 years ago. Why has it taken 60 years for these demands to be made?
I did. But to make it crystal clear: Chipper's repeated comments about "these people" and how they should shut up and Gode's comment "and this is why Jews have a bad name".
It doesn't matter if you insert 'gays', 'blacks', 'Jews' or any other group into the above posts -- the statements are completely offensive and bigoted, but in this specific case, anti-semitic.
I'm not talking about the Jewish religion as a whole, whatsoever. And "these people" wasn't meant to be derogatory, sorry if it came across that way. My feeling on the matter, like I said, is that this issue of 60 years ago shouldn't be continued. The governments of the world have enough on their plate, there are plenty of issues in the MIddle East that continue to this day. Do we need to continue to bring up the old wounds, which I'm sure have NOT healed at all for many people? It's tragic what happened, so why are they suing Franc eonly now? Why don't they continue demanding from Germany? THe Vichy France regime was under Nazi supervision, its not Modern France. So why are the people of France being punished now? THe country's money comes from them, and from other places as well. Put it this way: the people in the US are essentially going to rebuild Iraq with their tax dollars. Should the Iraqis start suing Saddam for all the pain he caused them? It isn't going to happen. And that wound is much fresher than that of the Holocaust.
Quick history lesson: Holocaust survivors are still alive. They themselves want their own money back from the institutions that stole it from them. So if someone steals your money from you, do you think you should just "shut up" or do you want your money back? sarcasm.gif
That institution being the Nazi controlled Vichy regime.
But that's separate from what brought me into this thread. I won't tolerate hatred. And I calls 'em like I sees 'em.
Hatred and annoyance are different things. I do NOT hate the Jewish population. Many of my good friends are Jewish. Im ANNOYED that so many issues are still being brought up, and that the people of today, who weren't around back then, are being made to pay for them.
Can we get Osama to pay for the 9/11 attacks? No. Yet wrongful death lawsuits are still being issued. The people have a right to demand money, I'll accept that. But does that mean that the US government, or in this case the French gov't, should pay for them? Not when they aren't the ones responsible.
But then there are those who don't *want* information... now that's dumb.
So now I'm ignorant? Please. Sorry for being "dumb" because I didn't "ask" for information. Would you care to teach me? Because I haven't reallly gone to school for most of my life...
I stated my opinion. I'm dumb for not agreeing with it? I'm "dumb" because you saw it as anti-Semitism. I made a point in my original post to say that this was NOT directed to the world Jewish population as a whole. I have NO problems with many Jewish people, though I do have issues with the Israeli state and what has happened in the Middle East. THat is my opinion, and am I "dumb" for having it? THat's the way I"m reading your post.
I treid to keep this as calm as possible, because the accusations made against me were pretty insulting.
Edited to fix UBB
Edited by Chipper, 17 April 2003 - 07:13 PM.
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