Eskaminzim, on Jul 20 2005, 02:25 PM, said:
I hope you don't mind my replying to a post you addressed to another (Nutmeg, specifically), but I had some difficulties with your example. A person beating a dog on the street is doing harm to another living being, as well as likely committing a crime.
I don't mind at all, in fact, the passion that you feel here is exactly what I was trying to evoke. Some people think it is perfectly acceptable to beat a dog (and for this, we can say "beating a dog" is something as light as popping it with a newspaper to "teach it manners"), while you see it as on the verge of being a possible criminal act (whether you see it as *being* a criminal act or not is a totally different issue).
I'm not defending the practice, I am just trying to put it in perspective, as I have been told by bible-belt christians that to let a person live without being "offered Jesus Christ as their savior" would be the same as letting a person beat a dog. I'm not changing the analogy - and I don't expect you to see them in the same extremity. But some people go to church every sunday and are told that they *need* to approach people to keep them from going to hell. They call is "being saved" for a reason. ("they" being, in my mind at the moment, baptists)
Someone wearing a t-shirt isn't causing harm to another living being, nor is he committing a crime of any type.
no, but they are advertising that they aren't following the path that will save them from eternal hell. So for somebody that believes that this person *is* going to eternal hell because of what they are saying by wearing a particular shirt, it is as important to approach them as it would be if they were causing harm or comitting a crime. Are we only allowed to approach strangers if they are causing harm to somebody or committing a crime?
Perhaps a better analogy would be someone running into a McDonalds and preaching to the customers there that the eating of all that fat is asking for their heart and arteries to be condemned to hell, so to speak.
some people feel passionatly that this should be done - and wonder why the trend isn't catching on (at least that was the message that I got from "Supersize Me." )
Even these are relatively poor analogies, since it is proven that fat can lead to heart disease and liquor can lead to liver disease, but no where is it proven that the soul or hell or heaven or G/god exists.
Again, does it have to be that extreme for people to talk to others?
So, perhaps a better analogy even than that would be: You're walking down the street wearing your favorite plain black t-shirt and someone stepping up to you and telling you that wearing black is a basic invitation to the M-eer-zzzztt people of Mars to be beaming their death rays directly into your large intestine and that if you wanted to save your digestive system, you better change the color of your shirt, pronto!
LOL! that's hilarious. And yes, I think that analogy is just as valid as mine. I am not defending the people that walk up to save your souls, I'm just trying to give you a perspective as to why they do it.
And as for your beliefs, I don't care. I *don't* like being approached by somebody trying to save my soul, and I have, many many times. I, therefore, don't advertise my beliefs, because I *do* believe that people who feel strongly enough about something will always try to share it with others, and what better way to find people that don't believe the same as you than those people that are "advertising" it in some way?
In case I haven't said it in many round-about ways, I am not defending the whole "approach people to save their souls" idea, I am just explaining why I understand, and occasionally admire, people that do it.