Cheile, on Jul 27 2005, 01:49 AM, said:
waterpanther, on Jul 26 2005, 05:13 PM, said:
This says that even white people drop out, so what can be expected of non-whites, who, the sentence implies, are somehow not up to white standards.
um WRONG! that's saying that no matter what the race, who can say that ALL the illegal kids will pass college with flying colors, as ppl on their side seem to assume? and it has nothing to do with their race. it has to do with what happens at all colleges to all kinds. half the ppl drop out. they get lazy, party too much, let their grades suffer. whatever.
Did you see what waterpanther said after that?
Now, I'm willing to entertain the idea that that's not what you actually meant, but it's your responsibility to make sure that your meaning comes across clearly.
It's true, I suppose, that statistics pretty much say that 'blacks' and 'hispanics' aren't as 'successful' in academics as whites, but this initiative appears to be discussing how to help with that, about not denying them that chance because of how they got here, when they've already been successful. I might not be remembering it correctly, just as waterpanther was willing to note that you might have meant other than what came across. So what exactly is wrong with BOTH of you asking for clarification, instead of you starting your response, as you did here, with 'um WRONG'? You could have clarified without that. I'm really not trying to be a vigilante, but I post here same as the rest of you and there's so much that can go better if more of us take the time to explain or ask a question.
BTW, just so you know, lack of capitalization and use of abbreviation are both pet peeves of some people, and there are some who, I suspect, actually find it difficult to read (and some who take a very long time crafting their posts to make sure they're as good as they can be, and in a serious discussion like this one, just want others to appear to have done the same). You're more than welcome to see that as their problem, but at a time when OT is endeavouring for a more academic atmosphere, you may also find that writing things out in full gets you taken more seriously, simply by default of that being how a lot of us are taught to write if we want to 'look good'.
Now, if there's any of what I've written above that's not clear or whatver, you're more than welcome to ask me WTF I meant. But don't assume that, say, "taught to write if we want to 'look good'" means that you haven't been taught how to write, or something equally generalized and insulting.
Continuing slightly offtopic, a question for waterpanther (I'm really not sure how the conversation got to Wal-Mart, but since you listed a variety of what I presume are things they do you object to, I've got a question on one of them):
and their donations to radical right-wing causes.
Source/link please? I must confess to curiousity.
A small suggestion having to do with college graduation & concerns that the students this initiative is meant to benefit may become a dropout statistic--perhaps some incentives are in order.
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