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#1 RommieSG

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Posted 19 April 2003 - 10:02 AM

Here's one for the recordbooks....

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Dixie Chicks Lipton Commercial May Be Iced
Fri Apr 18,11:00 AM ET 

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The Dixie Chicks endorsement deal with Lipton may be in jeopardy. According to the New York Post, a commercial that the Chicks shot for Lipton Brisk Iced Tea may never materialize.

The commercial was shot before lead singer Natalie Maines' told a London crowd back in March that she was ashamed President Bush was from her home state of Texas. Executives for Lipton's parent company, Pepsi, reportedly fear a Dixie Chicks endorsement right now, thinking it might actually hurt sales. They're debating whether or not to air the spot.

After Maines' comment, radio stations across the country banned the trio's music and their new album, Home. Sales have declined by 40 percent.


The Chicks' upcoming Top of The World tour is sponsored by Lipton.

Looks like their career is slowly going down the toilet. I haven't even heard that 'Mirror in the Sky' song on my radio station in quite some time.

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#2 Bad Wolf

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Posted 19 April 2003 - 10:32 AM

I see McArthyism is alive and well.

Disagree with your government, be labeled unpatriotic and find yourself blacklisted.

Not that I need to say it:  VERY DISAPPOINTED!

But unfortunately not surprised.:(
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#3 Kevin Street

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Posted 19 April 2003 - 10:40 AM

I'll have some freedom fries with that, thankewveddymuch. :thumbs-down:
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Posted 19 April 2003 - 10:56 AM

Voice of dissent here...

Yes, Ms. Maines has the right to say what she will. No, I don't agree with what she said or the venue she said it in, but I defend her right to say it.

However, there are consequences to her actions. Just as she has the right to speak her mind, people have the right to not buy her product. And as such, corporate sponsors have the right not to sponsor it based on the fact that people won't buy that product.

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Sales have declined by 40 percent.

It's not wise business to lash yourself to a sinking ship.

This is economics, not censorship.
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#5 Bad Wolf

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Posted 19 April 2003 - 10:56 AM

Kevin Street, on Apr 19 2003, 08:24 AM, said:

I'll have some freedom fries with that, thankewveddymuch. :thumbs-down:
Preach it Brother.....

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Posted 19 April 2003 - 11:28 AM

Una Salus Lillius, on Apr 19 2003, 07:16 AM, said:

I see McArthyism is alive and well.

Disagree with your government, be labeled unpatriotic and find yourself blacklisted.

Not that I need to say it:  VERY DISAPPOINTED!

But unfortunately not surprised.:(
Poppycock.

As Truman said, "The right to be heard does not necessarily include the right to be taken seriously."

Just as she has the right to voice her beliefs, the consumers have the right to dissassociate from her.

That's democracy, for what it's worth.

Edited by AleisterCrowley, 19 April 2003 - 11:29 AM.


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Posted 19 April 2003 - 11:37 AM

I'll see your poppycock and raise you a b*llsh*t.

This is back door censorship.

Oh sure, pay LIP SERVICE to the right to say what you want but make a few calls and *poof* there go the ads.

As for sales, on THAT one of course I would agree with you.  My comments about McArthyism are directed SOLELY at the Lipton gig.  If I hadn't made that clear before I apologize.  I was not in any way talking about cd sales (unless, God forbid, it turns out that music sellers are feeling coerced into pulling their stuff which is a different thing), JUST the Lipton gig.
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Posted 19 April 2003 - 11:43 AM

This bs over what she said is as my sis would call it ridicko.

I'm 100% agreement with the idea that you have a right to say what you want to say as well as my right to object and/or question the statements you make. But what's weird is many who are saying that now in regard to Maines is if they said something and someone objected. They would be the first to cry foul.
No sir cuts both ways my man, sooner or later this crap will die down and many will quiet their harpyish shrieking over the EVIL DIXIE CHICKS. :D

I'm a full supporter of what's going on in Iraq I just don't like the company of some of my allies.  :dontgetit:

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Posted 19 April 2003 - 11:47 AM

AleisterCrowley, on Apr 19 2003, 08:12 AM, said:

Just as she has the right to voice her beliefs, the consumers have the right to dissassociate from her.
Ah, but is that what is really going on here?  

Are consumers disassociating themselves... or are the radio stations?

From the article, radio stations aren't playing their music and most radio stations these days are owned by broadcasting corporations (you fill in the blank).  And the suits running a radio station can hardly be said to represent the views of their listeners.  And if radio stations aren't playing their music, then the consumers aren't hearing it.  And if the consumers aren't hearing their music the obvious consequence is that their sales will drop.

If you don't know about the product, you can't buy it.

If I were the Dixie Chicks, I'd see if I could sue.  Radio Stations are government granted monopolies.  There is no alternative available to them and they are being discriminated against on the basis of their politics.  Nothing whatsoever to do with their music.  By doing nothing about the discrimination being conducted by entities the governement itself regulates and exercises control over,  the government is implicitly sanctioning this discrimination and wilful infliction of economic harm.

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Posted 19 April 2003 - 11:52 AM

First off - welcome to the Isle, Mr. Crowley! It's nice to see someone with your peculiar... experience, in our community. One never knows when a magician might come in handy. ;)

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As Truman said, "The right to be heard does not necessarily include the right to be taken seriously."

Just as she has the right to voice her beliefs, the consumers have the right to dissassociate from her.

True. The consumers have the right to do whatever they please.

I just don't agree with their collective decision making.
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Posted 19 April 2003 - 11:53 AM

Why did Pepsi have Brittney Spears as a spokesperson?  Why did Lipton choose the Chicks as a spokesperson?

They were popular and name and face association with their products would get sales.  They didn't use a political litmus test on them.

The Dixie Chicks didn't lose their ad spots because they expressed views, they lost it because they became unpopular.  And I imagine that the Chicks still got paid a great deal of money for recording those spots, even if they are never aired.  Lipton has a right to not lash itself to a sinking ship, after all, the money is Lipton's to spend.  

In terms of McCarthyism, the fact is that the upswelling against the Chicks seems to be coming from callers and consumers.  You can call that blacklisting, but I call that grassroots democracy.  There was no governmental figure who ferreted Ms. Maines out and made wild accusations against her, like the Senator did in his day.  She is the one who stood up and opened her mouth, unlike those blacklisted Hollywood stars and directors who were put out of work for melrely having past associations, friendships, or views expressed privately that were sympathetic with Communism.  There is no comparison.  Why should Lipton be forced to buy from and promote the Chicks when their own fans have become disillusioned with them?

In any event, I doubt this is the last we've heard of them, so I'm not feeling all that sorry for them.  I certainly don't feel like anyone's free speech has been impinged here.  She opened her mouth, and people and companies decided not to open their wallets.
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Posted 19 April 2003 - 12:01 PM

I'll double the b*llsh*t ante.  Spin it how you want, the fact is that she's being punished for not supporting Dubbya's War.

But, I will also say that if she hadn't been so quick to back-pedal this might have worked out differently.

Doesn't do a THING to alleviate my disgust for the continuing trend in this supposed bastion of democracy's (the cornerstone of which is loyal opposition) tendency to behave like BULLIES toward anyone who has the unmitigated gall to disagree with Dubbaya's War.

This is the kind of thing that makes a person question whether there is actually any pride in being American.:(

Anyways I hope they kick ass in the next round of awards shows and that the red neck consituency has to choke on it.:)

(slight edit for a typo)

Edited by Una Salus Lillius, 19 April 2003 - 12:02 PM.

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#13 Laoise

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Posted 19 April 2003 - 12:05 PM

Apparently, I was mistaken when I thought people listened to music because they like the music.  Unless having an unpopular politcal viewpoint causes a sudden drop in your musical talent.  Is that what happens then, you disagree and your musical abilities take a hike?
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Posted 19 April 2003 - 12:09 PM

Laoise, on Apr 19 2003, 09:49 AM, said:

Apparently, I was mistaken when I thought people listened to music because they like the music.  Unless having an unpopular politcal viewpoint causes a sudden drop in your musical talent.  Is that what happens then, you disagree and your musical abilities take a hike?
Apparantly that is the case.  I mean French Champagne is still better than California Sparkling Wine is it not?  

But that really isn't the issue apparently.  Because the NUAmericaPolitik is "Dubbaya's Way or the Highway".

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Posted 19 April 2003 - 12:15 PM

And then there is Mr. Dale Petroskey.  (This seems like a good thread to discuss this).

Mr. Petroskey hails from the great State of Michigan, and just so happens to be the President of the Baseball Hall of Fame.  And this looked to be a particularly good year for the Hall, with an exciting set of festivities set to kick off beginning the weekend of April 26-27th.  Yes, the 15th Anniversary of that beloved baseball classic “Bull Durham.”  A gala event was planned with all the stars of the movie set to make appearances.

A funny thing happened on the way to festivities.  You see, Mr. Petroskey also happens to be a former White House assistant press secretary under President Reagan.  And “Bull Durham” happens to star 2 actors on the record as being antiwar by the names of Tim Robbins and Susan Sarandon.  The thought of 2 antiwar individuals being present at the Hall of Fame so agitated our republican friend that he cancelled the whole shebang.  

“They are well-known anti-war activists. I didn't want the Hall to be used as a backdrop for anything other than baseball," said Petroskey.  But did he have any reason to believe Sarandon or Robbins would pull a Michael Moore?  No.  In fact, our intrepid President concedes he never even talked to them.

As it turns out, both Sarandon and Robbins have since confirmed they hadn’t any intention whatsoever of delivering an anti-war message at the event.  So what were Petroskey’s true motivations?

"Baseball and politics don't mix," he said.

Indeed they don’t, Mr. Petroskey.  Indeed they don’t.

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Posted 19 April 2003 - 12:16 PM

Well, unless the lyrics went something along the lines of "The war sucks and I hate Bush, tra la la" there's no reason to stop playing the actual songs, is there.
Sure, people's opinion of a band member changed, but unless the music changed suddenly as well, it's still the same popular stuff that it was before.  So what's the point?

I listen to music because I enjoy the music, not because I agree with the politics of a band who makes a completely unpolitical song.  I wasn't aware political views factored in on the quality of the music. :suspect:

(Banapis, you snuck in on me! :D  This was supposed to go after Lil's post.)

Edited by Laoise, 19 April 2003 - 12:17 PM.

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Posted 19 April 2003 - 12:23 PM

*reads Banapis' post*

:eek2:

You've GOT to be kidding me.

Now, I WONDER if anything would have been cancelled had it involved celebrities who SUPPORTED the War?????

Anyone want to claim with a straight face that it would have?

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Posted 19 April 2003 - 12:27 PM

Laoise, on Apr 19 2003, 09:00 AM, said:

(Banapis, you snuck in on me! :D  This was supposed to go after Lil's post.)
Yes, I'm sneaky like that. ;) :D

I also agree entirely with your post.  

I can't imagine myself (or most people, for that matter) suddenly filtering out certain movies or certain songs because someone disagrees with the President about something.

There are plenty of actors and musicians whose politics I disagree with.  That doesn't have any bearing whatsoever on my enjoyment of their work.

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Posted 19 April 2003 - 12:30 PM

If I stopped enjoying media properties owned or created by people I disagreed with, I'd never be able to read the newspaper again! ;)

And forget about watching television...

Edited by Kevin Street, 19 April 2003 - 12:34 PM.

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Posted 19 April 2003 - 12:31 PM

It could be argued that the ones who make the music is just as important as the music it self.
How many people stopped buying Gary Glitter's Rock and Roll when it was discovered that he was a pedophile? How about when Pete Townsend was busted for downloading kiddie-porn.
Granted that's not near the same thing as what the Chicks said but it could be argued that way.

I recall a lot of people burned or threw away their Cat Stevens albums when he spoke out in support of the fatwah against Salman Rushdie. Even the band 10,000 Maniacs who did a cover of his son Peace Train on their album Blind Man's Zoo, later issues of it had the song omitted and they stopped performing it.
^ This could be a parallel to the D.C. situation, he didn't sing a song about killing Rushdie but his stance in support of killing Rushdie angered so many they boycottd his music being played at radio stations.

At least for a while that is.

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