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#1 emsparks

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Posted 01 September 2005 - 08:45 AM

And today is three…

Three days with out food and water, and people start to die. Today will go down in history as the darkest day in this country. There are still thousands, possibly tens of thousands trapped in New Orleans. Trapped for over three days, with out food, water, or some one to mark their passing, and the news media does not get it. All the media cares about is the looting and the two shots fired at a helicopter.

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Posted 01 September 2005 - 08:46 AM

I emailed this to CNN and Ms Clinton:


There are tens of thousands possibly hundreds of thousands in New Orleans alone that are slowly dieing of starvation, and dehydration, and all you are interested in is the looting, and some shots fired by deranged individuals.

As to the looting, what in hell do you expect, you are more worried about your property rights then you are in giving people stranded in the poorer sections of the city water and food. Your slowly killing whole families and you expect them not to lash out. You even went and invented this fiction about people choosing to stay so you could assuage your collective consciences, over the totally inadequate disaster plans.

You and yes it is you because you have a voice that is heard, are effectively culling the heard, is that your intent. Boy are the property values in New Orleans going to sore, the problem of the poor has been solved in that city you should be proud.

Ten thousand more National Guard, to quell the looting, give me a break, how about a hundred thousand and thousands of commandeered small boats. Do you have any idea how many small boat dealers there are between Virginia and New Orleans? The National Guard in each state could have collected the boats and in two days or less, be in New Orleans with them. Has any body got a brain, or is the only thin they are interested is photo ops, and look at me news conferences.

You people don’t have any idea the human tragedy that you’re looking at. Past a few of your field reporters getting upset and losing the contents of their stomachs, and oh yes a web site. Is this the extent of your connection to humanity? Not only is this the greatest tragedy of all times to hit this country but it is also the greatest screw up.

DAMM IT THOUSANDS ARE GOING TO DIE TODAY DO SOMETHING!!
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Posted 01 September 2005 - 08:48 AM

Yeah well more people might be able to get out if there weren't the evil ones disrupting evacuations by shotting at helicopters.  

And none of the New Orleans situation would have gotten this bad if our federal government had prioritized the upgrades of the levees.  So people will die, and it is the fault of every person in this nation.

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Posted 01 September 2005 - 08:54 AM

Rhiannonjk, on Sep 1 2005, 09:48 AM, said:

Yeah well more people might be able to get out if there weren't the evil ones disrupting evacuations by shotting at helicopters. 

And none of the New Orleans situation would have gotten this bad if our federal government had prioritized the upgrades of the levees.  So people will die, and it is the fault of every person in this nation.

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You have got to be kidding me, is this all this means to you?

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Posted 01 September 2005 - 09:06 AM

I am all about fixing the problem.  How are they fixing it?  How will they fix future problems?  

I'm sorry, but blame doesn't need to be set now.  I will wait.  Would you like to set a date?  Give me 30 days?  Then I think there needs to be a thorough investigation of how this happened, and how we can prevent such structural issues from happening again.  Sure, ignore the fact that we, as Americans, are preoccupied with the present so much that we are destroying our futures, for the sake of saving lives at the moment.  

But if we never come back to the issue, then it is all doomed to happen again.  Perhaps in LA, when they can no longer supply the city with fresh drinking water, or houses fall off cliffs in mudslides, or perhaps in other places throughout the country for reasons that we have failed to protect ourselves against because it is easy to think "This will never really happen" while science says, quite clearly, that it will.  I see no better time than in the wake of this incident to wake my fellow countrymen up to the fact that we need changes, and I'm not saying politically, but in the entire mindset of the country.  

I am incredibly sad that people are dying.  There is nothing that I, from 600 miles away, can do, except perhaps donate money and blood.  I am actually looking into offerign my services in the rebuild, as a civil/environmental engineer, as long as I can get paid in some fashion because I am  not in the position to donate my services (perhaps one day I will have no need for money to pay my bills, and I would be happy to donate personal services as much as I need to)  But from what I see, I am in a position where I can do nothing but sit, watch, and worry.  I am choosing to spend this time thinking and analyzing what is happening, how it happened, and how it can be prevented from happening again.

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Posted 01 September 2005 - 09:07 AM

emsparks, on Sep 1 2005, 05:46 AM, said:

Ten thousand more National Guard, to quell the looting, give me a break, how about a hundred thousand and thousands of commandeered small boats. Do you have any idea how many small boat dealers there are between Virginia and New Orleans? The National Guard in each state could have collected the boats and in two days or less, be in New Orleans with them. Has any body got a brain, or is the only thin they are interested is photo ops, and look at me news conferences.

You people don’t have any idea the human tragedy that you’re looking at. Past a few of your field reporters getting upset and losing the contents of their stomachs, and oh yes a web site. Is this the extent of your connection to humanity? Not only is this the greatest tragedy of all times to hit this country but it is also the greatest screw up.

DAMM IT THOUSANDS ARE GOING TO DIE TODAY DO SOMETHING!!

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Posted 01 September 2005 - 09:13 AM

I just don't understand why they can't drop via copters MRE's and water into some of these areas to tide people over until they can evacuate them? I just saw some former heads of FEMA on tv critizing how this has been handled, that when the agency got puled into the HomeLand Security Dept. that they lost alot of the close ties with local state agencies in addressing emergencies and that Homeland Security has become the top priority of FEMA to the extent that it's completely skewed the agencies ability to respond.
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Posted 01 September 2005 - 09:38 AM

I’ll keep this simple; I could get a lot more detailed.

Did you know that there was a civilian news helicopter shadowing the storm, so they would be the first to get the pictures? I mean with in hours after the storm ended there was a news helicopter over the storm damaged area.

Did you know that during a bad storm, the safest place for a ship is out to sea? AND the US Navy routinely sends her ships to sea when a storm threatens the port they are in.

Given what we know about Hurricanes, why didn’t we have two or three MEU, with their over the beach capable helicopters, landing craft, and trucks, trailing the storm so we could bring in help with in hours after land fall was made. Each MEU could have been augment with a RORO container ship preloaded with relief supplies. RORO, stands for roll on, roll off. Do you have any idea how many tractor-trailer truckloads of supplies one container ship can carry? Pre-positioning three MEU in the gulf during Hurricane season, especially now with scientist saying the storms are going to get worse, should have been thought of a long time ago, and be standard operating procedure.
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Posted 01 September 2005 - 09:44 AM

The newscast - yes, I believe the media is evil.  But there were also residents that fleed the area that were probably anxious to see views of how bad there homes were as soon as possible.  In a time like that, evacuees *need* immediate footage, even if it is just to prove to them that they should stay away.  People want to get back as soon as possible - and if the only connection that they have with their homes is the footage on CNN, some people are happy to see CNN getting as much footage of the area as possible in hopes that their house, neighborhood, or the remains thereof, will be shown.  The uncertainty has got to be unbearable.  

Yes, when I saw a dead body on tv the othernight, I was outraged.  But on the other hand, I think the media is a necessary evil.  

What do you suggest they should be showing?

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Posted 01 September 2005 - 09:44 AM

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Given what we know about Hurricanes, why didn’t we have two or three MEU, with their over the beach capable helicopters, landing craft, and trucks, trailing the storm so we could bring in help with in hours after land fall was made. Each MEU could have been augment with a RORO container ship preloaded with relief supplies. RORO, stands for roll on, roll off. Do you have any idea how many tractor-trailer truckloads of supplies one container ship can carry? Pre-positioning three MEU in the gulf during Hurricane season, especially now with scientist saying the storms are going to get worse, should have been thought of a long time ago, and be standard operating procedure.


Exactly the point I raised yesterday in the Katrina thread. I'm not in the government or the military or part of FEMA but I have enough brains to think that they should have been sending ships into the area, getting them in position BEFORE the storm hit, not AFTER. The whole country knew days in advance that Katrina was coming, where it would likely hit and the potential to be a killer storm and yet ships WEREN'T sent in advance...How incompetent could these people be?
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Posted 01 September 2005 - 09:46 AM

Lin731, on Sep 1 2005, 03:13 PM, said:

I just don't understand why they can't drop via copters MRE's and water into some of these areas to tide people over until they can evacuate them? I just saw some former heads of FEMA on tv critizing how this has been handled, that when the agency got puled into the HomeLand Security Dept. that they lost alot of the close ties with local state agencies in addressing emergencies and that Homeland Security has become the top priority of FEMA to the extent that it's completely skewed the agencies ability to respond.

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I thought they were dropping MRE's, but then, with the scrambled information coming out of the area (such as whether or not the Superdome evacuations had been suspended or not), it's kind of hard to figure anything out.  :wacko:

Like Rhiannon, I'm about fixing it.  Of course this is devastating, and of course it is utterly, utterly tragic, most likely the worst thing we'll see in this country other than a large quake.  But this needs to be the country's wake-up call to pay attention to natural disaster hazards, and we need to start on it now.
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Posted 01 September 2005 - 09:56 AM

According to CNN
FEMA is only sending rescue crew in, only if they can be escorted by armed personnel…
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Posted 01 September 2005 - 10:01 AM

Lin731, on Sep 1 2005, 10:44 AM, said:

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Given what we know about Hurricanes, why didn’t we have two or three MEU, with their over the beach capable helicopters, landing craft, and trucks, trailing the storm so we could bring in help with in hours after land fall was made. Each MEU could have been augment with a RORO container ship preloaded with relief supplies. RORO, stands for roll on, roll off. Do you have any idea how many tractor-trailer truckloads of supplies one container ship can carry? Pre-positioning three MEU in the gulf during Hurricane season, especially now with scientist saying the storms are going to get worse, should have been thought of a long time ago, and be standard operating procedure.

Exactly the point I raised yesterday in the Katrina thread. I'm not in the government or the military or part of FEMA but I have enough brains to think that they should have been sending ships into the area, getting them in position BEFORE the storm hit, not AFTER. The whole country knew days in advance that Katrina was coming, where it would likely hit and the potential to be a killer storm and yet ships WEREN'T sent in advance...How incompetent could these people be?

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Edited by emsparks, 01 September 2005 - 10:02 AM.

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