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#21 Lord of the Sword

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Posted 03 September 2005 - 10:04 PM

eloisel, on Sep 3 2005, 08:02 PM, said:

How has the administration dragged their feet on this?

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Please see my other threads about how the government dragged it's feet...too tired right now to repeat it, yet again.
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Posted 03 September 2005 - 10:26 PM

Excuse me WP, but no where did G say it ws Clintons fault- what he said was that Clinton used Haliburton too- that does in no wat blame Clinton.


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Posted 03 September 2005 - 10:34 PM

Perhaps that should have been the "CLINTON DID IT, TOO!!!" meme, then.

Sorry.  I was imprecise.
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Posted 03 September 2005 - 10:43 PM

LORD of the SWORD, on Sep 4 2005, 03:04 AM, said:

eloisel, on Sep 3 2005, 08:02 PM, said:

How has the administration dragged their feet on this?

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Please see my other threads about how the government dragged it's feet...too tired right now to repeat it, yet again.

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Oh, ok ... assessment of damages and rebuild efforts of damaged naval installations should have happened sooner than 4 days after the event.  Again ... no matter what, it isn't good enough or fast enough.

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Posted 03 September 2005 - 10:44 PM

G1223, on Sep 3 2005, 06:00 PM, said:

OK I will try to explain again.

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Okay.  

G1223, on Sep 3 2005, 06:00 PM, said:

Halliburton is a company that hanldes the LOGISTICS.

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Which the armed forces used to do for itself.

G1223, on Sep 3 2005, 06:00 PM, said:

That is big word meaning moving supplies to where the Armed Forces say we want something put.

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Almost.  Actually, logistics is the branch of military operations that deals with the procurement, distribution, maintenance, and replacement of materiel and personnel.  

G1223, on Sep 3 2005, 06:00 PM, said:

Halliburton has warehouses in key points across the globe With pre positioned supplies await transportation when needed.

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Which the armed forces used to do for itself.  

G1223, on Sep 3 2005, 06:00 PM, said:

They have purchase agents who buy the supplies from manufactures in huge bulk to get cost savings.

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Who are paid significantly better than any service member ever was for doing the same job.  

G1223, on Sep 3 2005, 06:00 PM, said:

They own companies that handle the mainence on the building and ships placed into their care.

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Which the armed forces used to do for itself.  

G1223, on Sep 3 2005, 06:00 PM, said:

This company has been used by EVERY ADMINISTRATION since the company got started.

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Well, I don't know when the company got started, but it was during the Ford administration that they took over logistics for the armed forces.  We heard about this big private company that was taking over, and we were mighty skeptical.  

G1223, on Sep 3 2005, 06:00 PM, said:

Because they had no one to compete with.

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And that's the scary part.  

Those stories about how much the federal government pays for hammers and stuff?  Started when Halliburton took over.  :suspect:  

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Posted 03 September 2005 - 10:49 PM

Why doesn't the military still do all this stuff outsourced to Halliburton?

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Posted 03 September 2005 - 11:03 PM

eloisel, on Sep 3 2005, 07:49 PM, said:

Why doesn't the military still do all this stuff outsourced to Halliburton?

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Because the military got sold down the river to Halliburton.  The military had no choice.  It was done so that it would look like we had a smaller standing army.  Get rid of the troops in charge of outfitting the troops, badda bing, badda bang, you got smaller numbers, once the crunching is finished.  Problem is, you still need the jobs formerly done by soldiers taking soldier's pay, so you hand them off to civilians, but now you also have profit margins and stockholders (not to mention lobbyists to wine and dine Congress).  

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Posted 03 September 2005 - 11:08 PM

Also Nonny doesn't this have the purpose of making the Volunteer military look good, not just the smaller numbers but recruiters can say you don't do work like that anymore?
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Posted 03 September 2005 - 11:56 PM

Hibblette, on Sep 3 2005, 08:08 PM, said:

Also Nonny doesn't this have the purpose of making the Volunteer military look good, not just the smaller numbers but recruiters can say you don't do work like that anymore?

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Actually, the supply sergeants and airmen I knew liked the job.  :)  I liked my job too, but they never pulled 12 hour shifts 7 days a week.  :oh:  

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Posted 03 September 2005 - 11:58 PM

Any movement to put these duties back in the military instead of outsourcing them?

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Posted 04 September 2005 - 12:04 AM

eloisel, on Sep 3 2005, 08:58 PM, said:

Any movement to put these duties back in the military instead of outsourcing them?

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Halliburton lobbyists might have something to say about that, more's the pity.  :angry:  

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Posted 04 September 2005 - 06:39 AM

Yep, Halliburton and its subsidiaries are here to stay. Consider that Cheney went from being Bush I's Rumsfeld (head of DOD) to CEO of Halliburton then on to Bush II's VP. And there are plenty of politicians from both parties who have gone back and forth through the semipermeable membrane separating Halliburton and government. Be nice to Halliburton and Hallburton will take care of you--if you're a politician.

Also, if there ever were a popular movement to restore logistics to the military, the propaganda machine would whir into overdrive. Halliburton is unfairly targeted by leftwing kooks who hate Bush. Halliburton is simply what all Americans should admire above all other things: a successful corporation. Taking business away from Halliburton and giving it to the Pentagon is communistic. Etc. Etc. So we're probably stuck with it.
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Posted 04 September 2005 - 06:54 AM

Hey it could have been Bechtel!
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Posted 04 September 2005 - 08:22 AM

The association of Halliburton with the military goes back, ultimately, to LBJ and Vietnam.  Kellog, Brown and Root (KBR) is now a subsidiary of Halliburton, but it was the original military support corp.  It was a Texas company with deep financial ties to Frank Ervin, LBJ, John Connally, John Tower and much of the rest of the state's political establishment.  KBR was as corrupt as they were in the 60's and 70's, and there's no reason to think that they or their now-parent corporation have changed for the better.
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Posted 04 September 2005 - 08:22 AM

eloisel, on Sep 3 2005, 10:43 PM, said:

Oh, ok ... assessment of damages and rebuild efforts of damaged naval installations should have happened sooner than 4 days after the event. 

*sigh*

No. Delivery of food and water, evacuating the people, providing security to the people should've happened much, much, sooner. And there is no reason why it shouldn't have been done sooner. As one reporter on MSNBC mentioned. He covered Iraq. The military, including national guardsmen, have the ability to send a small force in, make a landing zone for supplies, secure that LZ, then have the rest of the troops land and continue with whatever mission they have. There's no reason why a small force couldn't have made a LZ near the convention center or Superdome, secured it, started handing out food and water, ect.

And all the while this is being done, others in charge can be doing the damage assessments, ect.

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Again ... no matter what, it isn't good enough or fast enough.

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When a lot of people die because the officials in charge delay and drag their feet, you're damned right it isn't fast, or good, enough.
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Posted 04 September 2005 - 08:33 AM

LORD of the SWORD, on Sep 4 2005, 01:22 PM, said:

eloisel, on Sep 3 2005, 10:43 PM, said:

Oh, ok ... assessment of damages and rebuild efforts of damaged naval installations should have happened sooner than 4 days after the event. 

*sigh*
Sorry to be one of the billion things in this world that pi$$es you off, LOtS, however, the topic post was about the naval installations.  How much screaming would you have done if Pres. Bush, this administration, and the emergency response team had gone in minute one and started on the naval installations before getting to New Orleans or the other 90,000 miles of devastated area and suffering citizens?

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Posted 04 September 2005 - 08:38 AM

eloisel, on Sep 4 2005, 08:33 AM, said:

Sorry to be one of the billion things in this world that pi$$es you off, LOtS, however, the topic post was about the naval installations.  How much screaming would you have done if Pres. Bush, this administration, and the emergency response team had gone in minute one and started on the naval installations before getting to New Orleans or the other 90,000 miles of devastated area and suffering citizens?

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You don't piss me off. I just felt that you didn't understand what I was saying. And I sighed because I really didn't want to repeat, again, how I feel the administration dragged it's feet. I thought I made my arguments for that pretty clear in the other threads about Katrina. You asked how the administration was dragging it's feet. I replied.

If they had just dealt with the Naval installations and not done anything for the people I'd be pissed. As would anybody else.
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Posted 04 September 2005 - 08:40 AM

Nonny, on Sep 3 2005, 11:56 PM, said:

Hibblette, on Sep 3 2005, 08:08 PM, said:

Also Nonny doesn't this have the purpose of making the Volunteer military look good, not just the smaller numbers but recruiters can say you don't do work like that anymore?

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Actually, the supply sergeants and airmen I knew liked the job.  :)  I liked my job too, but they never pulled 12 hour shifts 7 days a week.  :oh:  

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Actually I know that.  My father was in the AF for 20 years.  He thinks it's extremely crazy that the military does this.

I could just hear recruiters with this line.
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Posted 04 September 2005 - 08:42 AM

waterpanther, on Sep 4 2005, 08:22 AM, said:

The association of Halliburton with the military goes back, ultimately, to LBJ and Vietnam.  Kellog, Brown and Root (KBR) is now a subsidiary of Halliburton, but it was the original military support corp.  It was a Texas company with deep financial ties to Frank Ervin, LBJ, John Connally, John Tower and much of the rest of the state's political establishment.  KBR was as corrupt as they were in the 60's and 70's, and there's no reason to think that they or their now-parent corporation have changed for the better.

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Sure when we're corrupt in Texas-we're big.

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Posted 04 September 2005 - 08:45 AM

Since Halliburton has taken over things the military used to do for itself, and charges a lot more for doing the same things...I say we let Halliburton take over the fighting and the dying in wars also.

Anyone want to place bets on how fast Halliburton will drop their contract if their employees, including the upper management, have to start fighting the wars also?
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