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#21 Lin731

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Posted 06 September 2005 - 11:37 AM

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Congrats, your comment was far tackier than any of the comments you were complaining about...You're number one! :glare:  I'm also a midwesterner and find your comments beyond embarassing. The flooding we deal with here is NOTHING on the scale of what they are dealing with down there right now and the only stupidity I see on display at the moment isn't coming from the "southerners" You don't speak for me or anyone else that I know of from the midwest so please keep your regional affliations to yourself, as the rest of us don't want to be broadbrushed by comments like yours.

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#22 MuseZack

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Posted 06 September 2005 - 11:38 AM

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Lin731, on Sep 6 2005, 04:37 PM, said:

G,
Congrats, your comment was far tackier than any of the comments you were complaining about...You're number one! :glare:  I'm also a midwesterner and find your comments beyond embarassing. The flooding we deal with here is NOTHING on the scale of what they are dealing with down there right now and the only stupidity I see on display at the moment isn't coming from the "southerners" You don't speak for me or anyone else that I know of from the midwest so please keep your regional affliations to yourself, as the rest of us don't want to be broadbrushed by comments like yours.

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Oh, and to all the midwesterners on the board.....

BUCKEYES RULE!!!

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Sorry, just trying to lighten the mood for a moment.  You can take the boy out of Columbus, but, well, you know the rest...

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#23 Lin731

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Posted 06 September 2005 - 11:47 AM

Now MuzeZack let's not go there...cause every MidWesterner knows that it allllllll about the Wolverines. We let you guys win the Big Ten from time to time too but only on the years they're building new trophy cases in the Field House. :lol:  ;) Thanks btw...I needed the grin!
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Posted 06 September 2005 - 11:49 AM

Lover of Purple, on Sep 6 2005, 11:01 AM, said:

A president relies on his staff to do their jobs. My hope is that when this is under control, President Bush fires a few members of that staff.

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Me, too, LoP.

Unfortunately,  he's already praised "Brownie" (Michael Brown, head of FEMA) for his good work so I doubt we'll see him get a pink slip.

By the way, one of the best remarks I've heard about all this came from a woman who is Dade County's emergency coordinator in FL. She said Brown is "doing a helluva job" because "as far as I know, no Arabian horses have died" in the storm and its aftermath. :)

(By way of explanation, Brown was head of an Arabian Horse Association for eleven years before Bush handed him the keys to FEMA.)
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Posted 06 September 2005 - 11:51 AM

Instead of looking for subtext, we could have actually focused on the question and examined our own behaviours in light of it.

G1223 thanks for turning this into a partisan thread.  It wasn't one before you started.  Whatever subtext was there - we all had the choice to respond directly to what the actual text said.

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Posted 06 September 2005 - 11:56 AM

hey now, Zack and Lin, I hate to burst your bubbles, but Hawks and/or Cyclones rule! ;)

Spectacles, on Sep 6 2005, 11:49 AM, said:

(By way of explanation, Brown was head of an Arabian Horse Association for eleven years before Bush handed him the keys to FEMA.)

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~.~ ah, I knew that name sounded familiar. From vast experience, I can safely say the Arabian Horse Association is only for the rich. The rest of us don't exist.
He did not save the AHA, what made bush think he'd be good for FEMA?
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Posted 06 September 2005 - 11:56 AM

Lin731, on Sep 6 2005, 10:47 AM, said:

Now MuzeZack let's not go there...cause every MidWesterner knows that it allllllll about the Wolverines.

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*shakes fist* Boooooooo! And the Buckeyes too...Boooooo!

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#28 Lin731

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Posted 06 September 2005 - 12:00 PM

Now can't all we Midwesterners pulled together, not be judgemental, critical and demonise our rivals? Can't we all just make smores and sing Kumbayah? ;)
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Posted 06 September 2005 - 12:02 PM

eloisel, on Sep 6 2005, 10:36 AM, said:

Just curious, on the daily average, what do you spend most of your time on:

expressing
disgust
hatred
dislike
unhappiness
displeasure

or

looking for ways to
ridicule
judge
condemn
demonize
others?

Is a day spent not hating anyone or finding fault with anyone a complete waste of time?

Just curious.

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G1223, on Sep 6 2005, 11:29 AM, said:

Eight threads of the same vomit. You folks dig up anything and everything you can start a new thread and start up all over again.

You want to be mad at Bush for the Hurricane. Yet you do not want to yell at the govenors and mayors who had a more direct hand into the mess. The Govennors who did not call up the national guard units not already federalized to do their jobs. Who seemed unable to tell the state troopers and police officers to just shot looters.

They waited till the feds showed up.What were they doing beforehand?

As a midwesterner I got to ask is the south too lazy or too stupid to start clearing the mess up? I know from flooding and tornadoes that the feds are not going to get to my area for a week to ten days. But the locals were there  RIGHT FRELLING THEN.

This is an another excuse to vomit up on Bush rather than spread that anger around at those who deserve it more.

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God said that vengeance was his. So I donít hate, and I donít take vengeance.

However I both fear my government, and for the first time in my life am ashamed to be an American, because of President Bush.

What you and he do not realize; is that American society is not as extroverted as most people think. Americans out of fear, on many levels will say one thing and vote completely differently. For the next couple of generations the majority of African Americans will not trust the Republican Party. So on that level at least the republicans have lost their razor thin majority, in the popular vote.

G1223 your president and his party before him has done something very bad and the American people will not speak of it openly for the shame, nor will they forget. AND G. itís only going to get a lot worse, as the morgue units take the dead women, children, and elderly out of the flooded low rent district.

And before you start talking about how itís their own fault, and the Clintons, understand that it is the party in power that gets the fame or blame, and the poor know how the government game is played. It will be easy to get the poor to go to the polls after this.

As a matter of fact I what you to talk about how itís the victims, or cityís fault it will only turn more of the silent majority in to haters of Bush and his cult of personality.

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Posted 06 September 2005 - 12:04 PM

Kosh, on Sep 6 2005, 04:35 PM, said:

New Orleans was better prepared, they even had an evacuation plan in place. No one used it, but it was there, just like they didn't use the school buses that were parked, and not being used for anything else.

I think the Governor and Mayor have a lot more to answer for then Bush and company.

That said, the administration also needs to say what took so long.

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OH but Kosh we have to vomit on Bush he is evil while the mayor and govenor are poor misled people unable to be actual leaders in their own rights.
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Posted 06 September 2005 - 12:08 PM

eloisel, on Sep 6 2005, 09:36 AM, said:

Just curious, on the daily average, what do you spend most of your time on:

expressing
disgust
hatred
dislike
unhappiness
displeasure

or

looking for ways to
ridicule
judge
condemn
demonize
others?

Is a day spent not hating anyone or finding fault with anyone a complete waste of time?

Just curious.

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~.~ Now to reply to the original question.

Given the choice of emotions/actions, I'd have to go with, none of the above.

See, I manage to spend my days surviving. Surviving pain, loss, finding ways to pay for things, cramming 48 hours into 24, etc... things is, in the midst of eveything that gets me down is love and laughter.

I don't go anywhere in rl or the web with the thought that I am going to attack someone or make them feel bad. I also do not expect that I will have to defend my lifestyle/beliefs, but it does happen and I deal with it, generally with annoyance at first, then laughter.

As for your last question. I hate no one, I have felt hate for brief moments in my life, but it goes away, because hate is a waste of my time.
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Posted 06 September 2005 - 12:15 PM

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G: OH but Kosh we have to vomit on Bush he is evil while the mayor and govenor are poor misled people unable to be actual leaders in their own rights

G, I think the mayor and governor made mistakes. I think the mandatory evacuation should have been issued sooner, and I think free transportation should have been arranged for those who didn't have cars.  I also think that mandatory evacuations should have been called all along the Gulf Coast.


Now a question for you: do you think the Bush administration and the federal government fell short in any respect? Are you satisfied with Homeland Security and FEMA?

If you think sole responsibility should be assigned to the governor of LA, what do you think about Mississippi's governor? People all along the Gulf Coast, not just NO, are still awaiting aid and rescue.

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Posted 06 September 2005 - 12:19 PM

MuseZack, on Sep 6 2005, 08:38 AM, said:

Oh, and to all the midwesterners on the board.....

BUCKEYES RULE!!!

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Sorry, just trying to lighten the mood for a moment.  You can take the boy out of Columbus, but, well, you know the rest...

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Posted 06 September 2005 - 12:21 PM

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Just curious, on the daily average, what do you spend most of your time on:

expressing
disgust
hatred
dislike
unhappiness
displeasure

or

looking for ways to
ridicule
judge
condemn
demonize
others?

***** Actually, I spend most of my time making the world safe for kittens and puppies, spreading joy and happiness, and watching re-runs of Combat!   But, I try to pencil in a few minutes each day for hatefulness and spite, just to try to keep up.  But I don't have to tell you that: you obviously understand how important such things are.  :)


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Is a day spent not hating anyone or finding fault with anyone a complete waste of time?

******* Not a complete waste of time, no.  I also enjoy spending my time replying to posts that find fault with others for finding fault with others.  Now that's time well spent!

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Just curious.

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Posted 06 September 2005 - 12:22 PM

G1223, on Sep 6 2005, 09:04 AM, said:

OH but Kosh we have to vomit on Bush he is evil....

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I don't want to vomit on him, I want to listen to him resigning from office.  Totally different thing.  

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Posted 06 September 2005 - 12:22 PM

School Buses?

Two points;

1. From the pictures I saw the buses of which you speak where under water. AND the water hit fast once the levee broke there was just no time.

2. Do you have any idea how low the pay of a school bus driver is, who was going to see to the driverís families? Cops and firemen are a lot different and a whole hell of a lot better paid, and very often donít live in the community, where school bus drivers for the most part canít live out side the community. No there would have to been practices and a lot of them, for that Idea to fly. Practices the city, and the school; bus companies most likely couldnít have paid for. No given the resources needed it was DHS responsibility to come up with a mass transportation plan, the city would not have the resources or expertise to do so.
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Posted 06 September 2005 - 12:25 PM

The navy ships that wer eon the scene need to have their facilities used.

Realtime satellites with Radar imagary could have been used to set priority areas.

The troops could have been told to shot and post the bodies of looters in public places to discourage the lawlessness. (Which is something the police could/should have done before the FEDS arrived)

While I suspect it has been done structual engineers could check out bridges across the mississippi to amke sure that the trains carrying heavy supplies could roll across without worries of surge damage to their foundations.
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Posted 06 September 2005 - 12:30 PM

Zwolf666, on Sep 6 2005, 09:21 AM, said:

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Just curious, on the daily average, what do you spend most of your time on:

expressing
disgust
hatred
dislike
unhappiness
displeasure

or

looking for ways to
ridicule
judge
condemn
demonize
others?

***** Actually, I spend most of my time making the world safe for kittens and puppies, spreading joy and happiness, and watching re-runs of Combat!   But, I try to pencil in a few minutes each day for hatefulness and spite, just to try to keep up.  But I don't have to tell you that: you obviously understand how important such things are.  :)

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Me, I prefer the demonize route, since it answers so well to the Golden Rule.  As a disabled American, I have been done unto, and well I know which fine, upstanding Christians have had the doing of it.  

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Posted 06 September 2005 - 12:31 PM

G1223, on Sep 6 2005, 10:04 AM, said:

OH but Kosh we have to vomit on Bush he is evil while the mayor and govenor are poor misled people unable to be actual leaders in their own rights.

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G, do you ever actually read comments or do you just begin typing and lashing out at everyone first?  

No one here is saying that the locals and State didn't contribute to this nightmare.  No ONE!!!!  They have their responsibility in this.

The TRUTH is [whether or not you want to admit it] that a catastrophe like this can only happen when ALL government agencies drop the ball.  Each dropped ball adds to the severity of a disaster and it begins to snowball.

It would be nice to point the finger and say, the Major did it, or the Governor did it, or the Fed's did it, but the truth is they ALL did it.  You can tell that by the size of the screw up.  Anyone who thinks differently is blinded by the party line and needs to wake up and smell the sewage.  They all dropped the ball.  

The Locals should have arranged not only transportation out of the city, but a destination for those who had no means to 'rent a motel'.  The governor should have stepped in and helped with the evacuation.  The Fed's should have at least allowed aide to enter the area.  I mean if the Fed's aren't going to be of any help, at least get the hell out of the way of aide that was able to get there.

And if you think it was OK for FEMA to turn aide away, then you are just plain wrong.  I'm as sick of hearing that we're all Bush bashing just because we question why people were left to die.  That's a legitimate question to ask.  If we don't ask it then we deserve to have this happen again.  In fact, we're charged as citizens to ask these questions.

These public servants serve us. Let me repeat that--THEY SERVE US. When they fail to serve, we have the right and the duty to ask questions.  If you can't stomach that then that is your problem.

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Posted 06 September 2005 - 12:32 PM

emsparks, on Sep 6 2005, 09:22 AM, said:

School Buses?

Two points;

1. From the pictures I saw the buses of which you speak where under water. AND the water hit fast once the levee broke there was just no time.

2. Do you have any idea how low the pay of a school bus driver is, who was going to see to the driverís families? Cops and firemen are a lot different and a whole hell of a lot better paid, and very often donít live in the community, where school bus drivers for the most part canít live out side the community. No there would have to been practices and a lot of them, for that Idea to fly. Practices the city, and the school; bus companies most likely couldnít have paid for. No given the resources needed it was DHS responsibility to come up with a mass transportation plan, the city would not have the resources or expertise to do so.

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A fifteen year old boy stole one of the schoolbuses and drove himself and a bunch of others to safety.  

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