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#1 Shaun

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Posted 07 September 2005 - 08:41 PM

I've been on leave and now I'm in the middle of doing several training courses but I wanted to take the chance to say that I'm still around, I've been watching the news and my heart goes out to the US at this time and to post the following.

I've put together a list of countries and organisations offering assistance and the types of aid being offered (if known) to the US. It's by no means complete.

Countries:

Australia ($7.5 million to the Red Cross)

Canada (military equipment and oil, food, clothing, 1000 personnel, 4 ships
[HMCS Athabasca, HMCS Ville de Quebec, HMCS Toronto and the Coast Guard ship Sir William Alexander])

United Kingdom (Tents, food, blankets, water purification kits, financial
aid, 500,000 ration packs, medical experts, logistics experts, engineers,
HMS Cumberland is the current ATP(N))

France (8 aircraft, 2 ships  [Batral Francis Garnier and the frigate
Ventrose], 600 tents, 1000 camp beds, Red Cross logistics
teams, a civil defense unit, a 20 strong hurricane disaster unit)

Armenia

Germany  (Medicine, water treatment and search equipment, MREs, pumps, 90 technicians, forensics experts)

Netherlands (offering to send their experts to help plan for the rebuilding
of NO,  a dike inspection team, the frigate Hr. Ms Van Amstel has
been tasked with relief duties)

Israel (Doctors, trauma specialists, nurses, technicians, field hospitals,
medical kits, temporary housing)

Iran (humanitarian aid via Red Crescent, $20 million barrels of oil but with
conditions - the offer has been rejected)

Azerbaijan ($500,000)

Poland

Phillipines

Ireland (1 million euros)

India (water purification kits, military medics, $5 million to the Red Cross)

Russia (Food, boats, tents, blankets, medical teams, generators,
helicopters)

Honduras

Norway (Navy divers, 10,000 blankets - $1.54 million of supplies)

Latvia (disaster relief teams)

South Korea ($30 million in aid, 20000 blankets, crutches, diapers, bunk
beds, wheel chairs, 40 SAR specialists)

Iceland

Bosnia (financial aid)

Sweden (aircraft, water purification equipment)

Indonesia

Paraguay

Iraq (unspecified material support)

Italy (water purifiers, dinghies, food rations and bed supplies)

Belgium (logistics experts)

Bahamas ($50,000)

Portugal

Guyana

Guatemala

Austria

Spain (oil, canned food, medical equipment)

Jamaica

Thailand (100 doctors and nurses)

Switzerland (plastic sheeting, crutches, bedding, tarpaulins)

Greece (Two Cruise Ships on loan as temporary housing, supplies and
emergency crews)

Turkey

Taiwan

Hungary

Colombia

Lithuania

Bahrain ($5 million)

Qatar ($100 million)

Slovakia

Georgia ($50,000)

Romania (medical personnel)

Luxembourg (5 aid experts, 2 jeeps and bedding)

Cuba (1100 doctors plus 25 tonnes of medicines)

Dominica

The Dominican Republic

Saudi Arabia

United Arab Emirates ($100 million)

Bangladesh ($1 million plus disaster relief experts)

China ($5 million in aid and will send rescue workers)

El Salvador

Mexico (15 trucks of supplies, 2 ships, 2 helicopters and 15 amphibious
vehicles)

Nigeria ($1 million)

Switzerland

Gabon ($500,000)

Afghanistan ($100,000)

Sri Lanka ($25 million through the Red Cross)

Maldives ($25,000)

Venezuela (humanitarian aid, financial aid and fuel)

Singapore (3 Chinooks with 38 military personnel for rescue operations)

Kuwait ($400 million in fuel, $100 million cash)

New Zealand

Japan ($200,000 to the Red Cross and an additional $300,000 worth of tents,
blankets, generators and water tanks)

Finland (logistics experts, 300 tents, water purification equipment, 15,000 sterile gloves, 200 first aid packets)

Taiwan ($2 million, medical supplies)

Djibouti ($50,000)

Governmental Organisations offering aid:

European Union (US has requested first aid kits, 500,000 prepared meals,
water trucks and blankets)
United Nations (US has accepted assistance from UN and UN personnel are
setting up in the US)
WHO (public health officers and logisticians)
UNCR
NATO (food, water, tarpaulins, generators, water trucks. NATO and non-NATO
countries are using its coordination centre)
OAS ($25,000)
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#2 mjtian

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Posted 08 September 2005 - 11:00 PM

Assuming the numbers are correct, I find it laughable that a wealthy nation like Japan is sending less money than China or Nigeria.  Another Asian nation that constantly relies on the American Military (Taiwan) is also sending so little aid considering its GDP........ :whatsthat:


I mean GDP per Capita  :)

Edited by mjtian, 09 September 2005 - 10:45 PM.

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Posted 09 September 2005 - 11:48 AM

Thanks for the aid anyone outside the US is sending.
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Posted 09 September 2005 - 12:12 PM

mjtian, on Sep 8 2005, 09:00 PM, said:

Assuming the numbers are correct, I find it laughable that a wealthy nation like Japan is sending less money than China or Nigeria.  Another Asian nation that constantly relies on the American Military (Taiwan) is also sending so little aid considering its GDP........ :whatsthat:

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I think we could cut Taiwan some slack considering they've been smacked by a few typhoons themselves recently.

#5 Ilphi

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Posted 09 September 2005 - 12:27 PM

Shaun, on Sep 8 2005, 02:41 AM, said:

HMS Cumberland is the current ATP(N))

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It's funny, I was just saying to CJ a few evenings ago that I was surprised that the ATP(N) hadn't been sent over to NO, considering its experience in humanitarian missions, and the fact it has a Lynx MK 8 onboard. Have you found a source that says its been deployed specifically to the NO relief effort? I've had no luck finding details of British aid contributions (I got a similar list as yours from a Telegraph article I posted), and can find nothing from the usual sources; MoD, NN, RN sites, etc.
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#6 mjtian

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Posted 09 September 2005 - 10:49 PM

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I think we could cut Taiwan some slack considering they've been smacked by a few typhoons themselves recently.

This is true, but they did not suffer nearly the devastation that N.O. did.  Consider our military presence and our aid to them over the years, I would expect a little more support from Taiwan.  Especially when they are ranked #34 in the world in GDP per Capita.  That goes for Japan as well!
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Posted 09 September 2005 - 10:57 PM

mjtian, on Sep 9 2005, 11:49 PM, said:

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I think we could cut Taiwan some slack considering they've been smacked by a few typhoons themselves recently.

This is true, but they did not suffer nearly the devastation that N.O. did.  Consider our military presence and our aid to them over the years, I would expect a little more support from Taiwan.  Especially when they are ranked #34 in the world in GDP per Capita.  That goes for Japan as well!

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Be thankful they are sending anything at all.
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Posted 09 September 2005 - 11:16 PM

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Be thankful they are sending anything at all.


I never said I wasn't thankful.  My point is that some of the wealthy nations are not stepping up!  Especially those that depend on our military to protect their rear ends!  This is evident as a country like Nigera that has GDP/Capita of $1,000 or China that has GDP/Capita of $5,000 are sending aids of $1 million and $5 million respectively while countries like Japan [$29,400] and Taiwan [$25,300] are sending $500,000 and $2 million respectively.  Do you think that is fair?  Let me repeat myself once again, these are the countries that we are protecting 24/7 with our military presence.
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Posted 10 September 2005 - 04:46 AM

It's really impressive that even small and poor countries have sent their help.Let's hope things will get better.
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Posted 10 September 2005 - 07:41 AM

mjtian, on Sep 10 2005, 12:16 AM, said:

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Be thankful they are sending anything at all.


I never said I wasn't thankful.  My point is that some of the wealthy nations are not stepping up!  Especially those that depend on our military to protect their rear ends!  This is evident as a country like Nigera that has GDP/Capita of $1,000 or China that has GDP/Capita of $5,000 are sending aids of $1 million and $5 million respectively while countries like Japan [$29,400] and Taiwan [$25,300] are sending $500,000 and $2 million respectively.  Do you think that is fair?  Let me repeat myself once again, these are the countries that we are protecting 24/7 with our military presence.

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I would like for you to convert the USD amount into their respective currencies and see how that stacks up. Remember the Dollar is very weak in parts of the world.

Also keep in mind, Taiwan is still under Chinese Rule.

500,000.00 USD United States Dollars = 54,862,499.24 JPY Japan Yen
2,000,000.00 USD United States Dollars =  65,460,000.00 TWD Taiwan New Dollars

In reality, Japan is sending 55 million YEN... Taiwan 65 million ...

To them, this is a Major chunk of change. TO us is seems very small...

(Numbers courtesy of http://www.xe.com/ucc/ )

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Posted 10 September 2005 - 08:20 AM

i don't think anyone should complain about the amount of help countries are giving the US (as Natolii brillantly pointed out, money in most other currencies is worth less in USD).

i'm sorry mjtian, but you sounded rather selfish. just because Taiwan wasn't hit as bad as you in another natural disaster, they have to give you more help?

you have no idea how disgusted i am by all that you said.
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Posted 10 September 2005 - 10:02 AM

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I would like for you to convert the USD amount into their respective currencies and see how that stacks up. Remember the Dollar is very weak in parts of the world.

Also keep in mind, Taiwan is still under Chinese Rule.

500,000.00 USD United States Dollars = 54,862,499.24 JPY Japan Yen
2,000,000.00 USD United States Dollars = 65,460,000.00 TWD Taiwan New Dollars

In reality, Japan is sending 55 million YEN... Taiwan 65 million ...

To them, this is a Major chunk of change. TO us is seems very small...


Several corrections needs to be made here.
1.  It doesn't matter how much each dollar is worth in Yen or any other currency in my argument.  Simply because I used GDP/Capita which is one of the best way to measure the wealth of a country.  Everything is in U.S. Dollar terms.  The last time I checked, each US dollar = $32 in Taiwan currency.  If you use the same conversion into their GDP/Capita its (32) *($25,300) = $809,600 Taiwan dollars.  Everything is relative!  A can of Coke in Taiway may cost you $15 Taiwan dollars when it cost $0.50 U.S. here.  Therefore, the fair comparison is via GDP/Capita. What I am trying to say is that Taiwan is a very wealthy country they can and should send more help.

2.  Taiwan is NOT under Chinese (Mainland Communist) Rule.

3.  Japan is even wealthier than Taiwan so I do not need to harp on that anymore.


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i don't think anyone should complain about the amount of help countries are giving the US (as Natolii brillantly pointed out, money in most other currencies is worth less in USD).

i'm sorry mjtian, but you sounded rather selfish. just because Taiwan wasn't hit as bad as you in another natural disaster, they have to give you more help?

you have no idea how disgusted i am by all that you said.


Again, you don't understand the economics aspect that I am trying say.  Yes every little bit of help is wonderful and I am thankful.  Ok.  I am going to explain to you as simple as I can.  Lets say you make $40,000/year.  You donated $100 to the relief effort.  A Sports Super Star that made $15 million last year donates $5.  How would you feel when you find out about this?  Am I glad that he gave $5?  Yes.  Do I think he should give more?  Of Course.  So I suggest you look at the big picture and try to understand what I am saying before getting mad at me.  From your statement on currencies, it is obvious to me that you have no clue on what I am saying.

Edited by mjtian, 10 September 2005 - 10:06 AM.

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Posted 10 September 2005 - 12:52 PM

Personally, I am from Washington (Not D.C.), and I feel a little disgusted by this. We should be glad they're sending anything at all! The exact dollar amount doesn't matter. What matters is that it's going to New Orleans and that it's helping.

Even during a time like this, Americans still manage to be absolute *Beeps*.
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Posted 10 September 2005 - 12:54 PM

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What I am trying to say is that Taiwan is a very wealthy country they can and should send more help.

and if/when they do send more help, you're just gonna say it's still not enough. is it possible that they gave you what they could? they have their own economy and businesses to worry about.

everyone who has a lot of money still gives something when they can just keep it all for themselves. if the Super Sports Star wants to be a millionare a-hole, that's his problem. but think about what the 5$ can do for someone who can't buy food. at least it's not being spent on steroids instead.

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From your statement on currencies, it is obvious to me that you have no clue on what I am saying.

and now you're talking down to me. i know exactly what you're saying, i just think it's all selfish crap.
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Posted 10 September 2005 - 12:59 PM

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and now you're talking down to me. i know exactly what you're saying, i just think it's all selfish crap.

How am I talking down to you when I am stating the facts?  You either did not pay attention to my points on GDP/Capita or you are clueless.  How are you going to call my sports star example as as "a-hole" and at the same time arguing against my point on the wealthy nations?  And where did you ge tthe notion that I did not appreciate the help?  How am I selfish?  I don't live in N.O. and yes I have donated money to the cause.  If you would've taken the effort and time to read my initial post, you should've realized that I said "assuming the numbers are correct."  I don't know how much they have donated, but assuming the numbers by Shaun are correct, I think they should give more.  So please think before you decide to criticize me or anyone again.


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Personally, I am from Washington (Not D.C.), and I feel a little disgusted by this. We should be glad they're sending anything at all! The exact dollar amount doesn't matter. What matters is that it's going to New Orleans and that it's helping.

Even during a time like this, Americans still manage to be absolute *Beeps*.

Where is all this disgust coming from?  Our government should pay for everything?  Where is the money coming from?  Oh, yeah, tax payers.  Then why are we spending Billions of dollars protecting them then?  We can use the money saved from bringing our men and women back and use it to pay for N.O.  How am I selfish when I am try to be relistic.  The $100 billion thats required from the federal government has to come from somewhere!  Loans loans and more loans.  It call this a reality check!  We will be paying interst on our nation's debt for ever have you thought about that?  So whats wrong for thinking that we are getting short end of the stick?

Edited by mjtian, 10 September 2005 - 01:07 PM.

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Posted 10 September 2005 - 01:04 PM

excuse me?

you're critizing how many countries? and i'm critizing you when all i'm doing is pointing out that you're bashing countries that didn't have to help but did. and sorry, but when you're saying "they should give more", it sounds rather selfish. you only said you're thankful when natolii said "Be thankful they are sending anything at all.". sounds rather defensive.

you say other countries have to step up to the plate. tell me when Bush steps up.
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Posted 10 September 2005 - 01:16 PM

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you're critizing how many countries? and i'm critizing you when all i'm doing is pointing out that you're bashing countries that didn't have to help but did. and sorry, but when you're saying "they should give more", it sounds rather selfish.

I specifically pointed 2 Asian nations that depends heavily on our military support to protection.  Specifically Taiwan and Japan.  If you would just calm down and hear me out.  These 2 countries are very wealthy and if you look at their GDP/Capita it is obvious.  I am simply pointing out the fact that these 2 wealthy nations can and should do more.  Everyone expects the U.S. to step up in every disaster in the world because we are supposedly "wealthy" correct?  And we have.  Our ex-presidents traveled all over the world raising money for the Tsunami relief effort didn't we?  Now we just lost and entire city and Japan is sending only $500,000?  Especially considering our military presence to shield them from Mainland China?

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you say other countries have to step up to the plate. tell me when Bush steps up.

If you've read any of my posts on Bush, you would know that I am NOT a fan of his presidency.  I can tell you right now I did not vote for him.  But it doesn't matter, we live in a Democratic world so he is the president I have to support him, even though I do not like him at all.  The federal government has pledged $60 Billion to date, so Bush is trying.  Should our federal response be quicker?  YES!  But that discussion belongs on another thread.

Edited by mjtian, 10 September 2005 - 01:22 PM.

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Posted 10 September 2005 - 01:24 PM

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Our ex-presidents traveled all over the world raising money for the Tsunami relief effort didn't we? Now we just lost and entire city

i believe the countries hit by the tsunami lost more than an entire city. i'm not saying the loss wasn't devastating, i just wanna point it out.

and you can do a lot with 500,000$. if Taiwan gave as much money as some poorer countries, whatever, just remember that they could have laughed in your face.

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Especially considering our military presence to shield them from Mainland China?

i know you don't mean that you think Taiwan owes you, but it sorta sounds like that.
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Harry: "I mean every word I ever say ever, because I'm Harry Potter." --'Wizard Swears', Potter Puppet Pals

Hermione: "What's your problem Harry?"
Harry: "My parents are dead, my life sucks, I can't hold down a girlfriend, and I'm surrounded by f*ck*ng goblins and sh*t all the time. I mean what the f*ck?"
Ron: "But it's magic Harry. The goblins are magical!" --'Wizard Angst', Potter Puppet Pals

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Hawkeye: "You harperchondriac girls think everyone has an angst filled interior."

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Posted 10 September 2005 - 01:31 PM

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if Taiwan gave as much money as some poorer countries, whatever, just remember that they could have laughed in your face.

What is your point?  It makes no sense to what I was saying!


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i know you don't mean that you think Taiwan owes you, but it sorta sounds like that.

Did you see what Kuwait and South Korea donated?  I wonder why!
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Posted 10 September 2005 - 07:42 PM

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A German military plane carrying 15 tons of military rations for survivors of Hurricane Katrina was sent back by U.S. authorities, officials said Saturday.

The plane was turned away Thursday because it did not have the required authorization, a German government spokesman said.

The spokesman, speaking on customary condition of anonymity, declined to comment on a report in the German news magazine Der Spiegel that U.S. authorities refused the delivery on the grounds that the NATO military rations could carry mad cow disease.

The spokesman said U.S. authorities had since given approval for future aid flights, but it was unclear whether the German military would try again to deliver the rations.

Since Hurricane Katrina struck the United States, many international donors have complained of frustration that bureaucratic entanglements have hindered shipments to the United States.

A U.S. Embassy official, who agreed to discuss the matter only if not quoted by name, blamed the German flight's rejection on temporary technical and logistical problems that have accompanied recovery operations in the devastated region.

German military planes have flown several loads of rations to the Gulf Coast. Berlin is also sending teams equipped with high-capacity pumps to help clear floodwaters.

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