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Katrina FEMA Brown resigns

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#1 Hibblette

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Posted 09 September 2005 - 12:36 PM

Vice Admiral.

My Father just heard this.

"You did a good job Brownie." :blush:
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Posted 09 September 2005 - 12:40 PM

From the CNN website banner :

FEMA director Michael Brown being sent back to Washington; Homeland Security Director Chertoff to announce new leader for on-the-ground Katrina relief efforts, senior administration official tells CNN. Details soon.

Doesn't look like he has lost his job.....yet.

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Posted 09 September 2005 - 12:42 PM

http://seattletimes....director09.html

Here's one story!

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Posted 09 September 2005 - 12:43 PM

Hmmm...my brother watches Fox News :p  :sarcasm: and that's probably were he heard this.

My mom heard it to.

Hmmmm
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#5 Lin731

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Posted 09 September 2005 - 12:44 PM

He probably won't lose his job, you know how Bush hates to axe his appointments (even when they deserve it). This move is straight up damage control...remove the source of complaints and hope that satisfies people enough where he doesn't have to fire him and people in the course of months forget how ineptly he ran FEMA.
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Posted 09 September 2005 - 12:45 PM

Very possible.

But still ...

The damage control is in full swing.
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#7 emsparks

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Posted 09 September 2005 - 12:50 PM

CNN is reporting that;
Coast guard Chief of Staff, Vice Adm. Thad Allen has been assigned to take over for FEMA Director Michael Brown, for operations in New Orleans.

CNN unedited close caption transcript, on Fri Sep 09 13:18:40 2005, said:

Numbers of democrats and republicans speaking out. Mike brown has been, his background, his resume, what he's been doing to respond to hurricane katrina, I think it's fair to say he's definitely been under fire.

Dilemma for the white house, how do you abandon somebody who is becoming controversial, whose qualifications are in question, without appearing like the president is abandoning him. You learn to read if no comments from the white house press secretary scott mclelan who just
recently had a briefing within the last 15 minutes and repeatedly would make no comment about the fate of michael brown, except and when he was talking about the operations and response to hurricane katrina, he would always talk in terms of the secretary of homeland security michael chertoff. Would not bring up brown's name at all. So that gives credibility to the report that michael brown is going to be taken at least out of the visible role in the response to katrina and brought back to washington. And his role taken up down there by the admiral where he will be very, very visible, in the hopes here that the controversy over brown subsides a little bit. I would suspect the democrats are going to continue to tee off on him and continue to raise the questions that have been raised by politicians and media reports about the qualifications of those who are in the hierarchy of fema and in the entire response of this administration and this government, particularly with all the preparations and billions of dollars that have been spent since september 11th. So don't expect this controversy to subside but, of course, we can expect that michael brown becomes a heck of a lot less visible.

What type of communications will take place between mike brown in washington, D.C. And the admiral on the ground in mississippi, louisiana, alabama?

is to say very little, but the true answer to your question is, is I have no idea what so over. We can only -- only judge an appearance here that is that mike brown is being removed from being such a visible figure here. Whether this means that he in washington will still have an important function as if response to katrina develops or whether this is just an effort to try and finesse this bad situation. We'll find out. We'll find out over the months, the years, whether michael brown continues to have the support and position as the head of the federal emergency management
agent I.

White house. Thanks so much.

break, we'll talk with simon in new orleans.

that is out of the area in new orleans. And also eefrs mississippi and alabama, going back to
washington, D.C. Vice admiral thad allen, chief of staff U.S. Coast guard in. He will be taking care of all of operations now, heading all operations in the effected areas since hurricane katrina. We're following all angles of this story right now as we were first to tell you about this change. It's going to take place, we expect to hear the formal announcement by the head of department of homeland security michael chertoff about 1:45 eastern time. We're going to bring that to you  live, as soon as he steps up to the microphone. Meanwhile we want to take you  now to dan simon on the ground in new orleans. Before we get to the latest from there, dan, any reaction from anybody that you've been able to talk to since we first got word about this?

No way yet to measure how new orleans residents will receive this news. One thing I can tell you is they obviously did not hide their display sure of how this operation was con durgted at first. Whether or not the admiral taking over gives them moral boost, sense of confidence, remains to be seen.

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Posted 09 September 2005 - 12:52 PM

Lin731, on Sep 9 2005, 05:44 PM, said:

He probably won't lose his job, you know how Bush hates to axe his appointments (even when they deserve it). This move is straight up damage control...remove the source of complaints and hope that satisfies people enough where he doesn't have to fire him and people in the course of months forget how ineptly he ran FEMA.

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Bush will probably reward Brownie with a Presidential Medal of Freedom next year.   :lol:
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Posted 09 September 2005 - 01:22 PM

As I said to Anarch when he said the same thing, sarcasm not apprieciated and if such a thing happens you can pretty much name your favor from me.
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#10 Peridot

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Posted 09 September 2005 - 04:00 PM

What it looks like from this article is that Brown is being recalled to Washington; what happens next is still a guess.

Brown Off Katrina Relief

Wherever the chips fall on that, I'd say getting someone from the Coast Guard in there to replace Brown on the scene is a darn good idea.

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#11 Anarch

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Posted 09 September 2005 - 04:39 PM

tennyson, on Sep 9 2005, 06:22 PM, said:

As I said to Anarch when he said the same thing, sarcasm not apprieciated...

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Is there any particular reason you find that "sarcasm" -- and it's only tenuously one -- offensive, tennyson?  Because I'm frankly having a hard time seeing why you're getting in such a snit over this.

Re Brown, rumor is that he had been planning to leave FEMA after all.  Uh-huh.  Yup.  As Kevin Drum notes, clearly Katrina just focussed his mind.

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Posted 09 September 2005 - 05:34 PM

Hers was milder than yours I will admit but I am trying to be as consistent about this as I can. I don't consider it a snit since I've expressed no anger over it and my comment partly a pop culture quote as well but to really get into it in a more general sense I don't like sarcasm in any form and I'm quite serious in that you can name your favor if any sort of presidental freedom medal happens(It can't be money since I currently have pocket change and that's about it). You may notice its virtual absense from my own posting as well as any sort of nicknames for anyone or anything, shortening of titles of things or people or in other ways expressing what I consider overfamilarity or belittling of any grouping. It may come across as dry and humorless but this is how I interact with the world.
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#13 Anakam

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Posted 09 September 2005 - 09:59 PM

Lin731, on Sep 9 2005, 06:44 PM, said:

He probably won't lose his job, you know how Bush hates to axe his appointments (even when they deserve it). This move is straight up damage control...remove the source of complaints and hope that satisfies people enough where he doesn't have to fire him and people in the course of months forget how ineptly he ran FEMA.

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I was interpreting it as Brown falling on his proverbial sword to save the President and everyone else the responsibility... but, yeah, damage control.

Oh, how much I would enjoy seeing the American public prove that one guy at the federal level, however much of a leadership position he held, leaving/being fired/whatever is NOT, in fact, adequate damage control and we would very much like accountability for something that appears to have a larger scope than Watergate.  (I wasn't around then, so feel free to correct me.)

And it's good that someone else is taking over--so long as that is, in fact, what actually happens.
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Posted 09 September 2005 - 10:35 PM

Wow, this is consistent:

http://news.yahoo.co...rina_washington

Or maybe it is consistent.

In any case... can't believe it; the keeping him on for FEMA, not the dumping him for Katrina relief.  The latter I'm fine with.

And Brown's saying he's been made a scapegoat by the press.  Wow, yeah.  Don't accept a top position unless you're ready to take responsibility; it means taking the crap along with the praise.
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Posted 09 September 2005 - 11:33 PM

Perhaps they're planning to demote Brownie to mail clerk?  :lol:
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#16 Hibblette

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Posted 10 September 2005 - 09:44 AM

^There's a seat on the Supreme Court.

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