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#1 Godeskian

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Posted 10 September 2005 - 11:26 AM

Heyhey,

Various newspapers reported yesterday and today that the Uk goverment has allowed a company to go ahead and create a viable In vitro child, using genetic material from two mothers, as opposed to a mother and a father.

As you might imagine, religious groups, various father support groups, and a whole bunch of anti-genetic engineering groups have gone absolutley nuts over this.

I will try and find a link to this and link it, but discussion welcome. :)

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Posted 10 September 2005 - 02:31 PM

What a wonderful fund-raising opportunity for radical clerics Falwell. Robertson and their ilk.  It ought to bring in gadzillions they can divert into their private investments.   :whistle:
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Posted 10 September 2005 - 02:40 PM

I'm confused...so I'll wait until the link is posted.  Does this mean the child will have two X chromosomes instead of XY?  My biology is rather rusty.
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Posted 10 September 2005 - 02:44 PM

http://www.dailymail...ge_id=1770&ct=5

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Scientists have created Britain's first 'virgin conception' embryos using a technique which could yield a new source of stem cells, sparking a new ethical row.
They were made without using sperm or any outside genetic material - making them clones of the woman who donated the eggs involved.

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The team took eggs donated by women undergoing sterilisation and stimulated them to start dividing, as if they had been fertilised.

Six grew into embryos created without any addition of new genetic material, either from male sperm or a clone donor.

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Posted 10 September 2005 - 05:22 PM

Not good news, this means that men are nearly obsolete.

All women need now is a machine to open jars for them, and they can get rid of us completely. :(
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Posted 10 September 2005 - 05:32 PM

Talkie Toaster, on Sep 10 2005, 06:22 PM, said:

Not good news, this means that men are nearly obsolete.

All women need now is a machine to open jars for them, and they can get rid of us completely. :(

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Posted 10 September 2005 - 06:30 PM

Uh oh.  As a soon-to-become-obsolete male, I'd like to announce that I have valuable getting-heavy-things-off-of-high-shelves and spider-killing skills, so please, don't kill me.

That's all we need, though, really... a way to increase the population of humans!  God knows there aren't enough people!  :sarcasm:   I hope they find a way to impregnate women with Starbucks outlets.  There aren't nearly enough of those, either...   :sarcasm:

(How many times am I allowed to use the sarcasm-smiley in a single post?  'Cuz I could keep doing this long after everyone's lost interest...)

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Posted 10 September 2005 - 06:47 PM

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I'm confused...so I'll wait until the link is posted. Does this mean the child will have two X chromosomes instead of XY? My biology is rather rusty.

It means that all children of such mothers will be female (XX).  Only males are XY.
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Posted 10 September 2005 - 06:54 PM

Zwolf666, on Sep 10 2005, 06:30 PM, said:

That's all we need, though, really... a way to increase the population of humans!  God knows there aren't enough people!  :sarcasm:   I hope they find a way to impregnate women with Starbucks outlets.  There aren't nearly enough of those, either...   :sarcasm:

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This would actually produce fewer babies, not more. Pregnancy by this method could never happen on accident; only deliberate pregnancies that had to be worked/paid for could happen.

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Posted 10 September 2005 - 07:07 PM

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This would actually produce fewer babies, not more. Pregnancy by this method could never happen on accident; only deliberate pregnancies that had to be worked/paid for could happen.

****** I was looking at it as an additional way to make babies kind of thing, assuming that the usual standard method of procreation would still be going on, too.  But, if this becomes the sole method of reproduction, then, yep, you'd be right.  Which would be cool, except for the whole males-becoming-irrelevant part of it... :(

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Posted 10 September 2005 - 07:15 PM

So this is a cloning program without calling it cloning.  While I see such types of works as important towards understanding biological  engineering. But I think this is trying to avoid the legal issues.
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Posted 10 September 2005 - 07:20 PM

I can get a ladder for the stuff on the high shelves, but ya'll are welcome to the bug killing duties.  Especially spiders.  Wolf spiders. And you can have scorpions, too. ::shudder:::

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Posted 10 September 2005 - 08:05 PM

Actully I'm enjoying the spiders right now. I have two with webs right outside my front living room window and I've been enjoying examining the intricate structure and design of those things. The spinners are each sitting right in the middle of their creations but it doesn't look like they're getting much from them in the way of food.

Yes, the babies would be female so we really wouldn't need the guys.

Seriously though I see more and more complex ethical issues arising out of this type of experimentation and I'm just not inclined to believe it's something we should be pursuing.
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Posted 10 September 2005 - 11:20 PM

looks like i'm yesterday's model...

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Posted 11 September 2005 - 12:42 AM

Talkie Toaster, on Sep 10 2005, 10:22 PM, said:

Not good news, this means that men are nearly obsolete.

All women need now is a machine to open jars for them, and they can get rid of us completely. :(

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Not really. The trouble with ova/ova is that such embryos are lacking in placenta. Sperm/sperm, more placenta, less baby.

#16 Psyche

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Posted 11 September 2005 - 12:58 AM

Well, I, for one, will stick with the traditional method of reproducing. And I do need someone to kill the bugs. So I kinda hope the guys get to stick around. I LIKE guys.

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Posted 11 September 2005 - 01:58 AM

Psyche, on Sep 11 2005, 05:58 AM, said:

Well, I, for one, will stick with the traditional method of reproducing. And I do need someone to kill the bugs. So I kinda hope the guys get to stick around. I LIKE guys.

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as a guy, i thank you.

now point out that bug, i got a size sixteen frankenstein shoe i want to show it :D

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Posted 11 September 2005 - 07:07 PM

Question:  Is this really a clone...  Since you have genetic material from two donors?  This one is over my head in terms of the biology involved. ;)
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#19 Shalamar

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Posted 11 September 2005 - 07:12 PM

Having two different parents removes it from clone catagory as I understand it.
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Posted 11 September 2005 - 08:16 PM

Wasn't there a story by James Tiptree, Jr. (I think) about a colony whose women had devised this very solution to the loss of the colony's men?  (Tried to figure out what short story that might have been, but haven't found it yet...)



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