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#1 Spectacles

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Posted 15 September 2005 - 09:50 AM

I'm disappointed in Republicans like Susan Fine Collins, who can usually be counted on to be non-partisan and pro-accountability.

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Posted 15 September 2005 - 09:55 AM

Of course they did.  :angry:  :angry:  :angry:  Wimps.

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#3 Zwolf

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Posted 15 September 2005 - 10:02 AM

So why even bother now?  If somebody gets Al Capone to head an investigation of organized crime, I don't even want to bother hearing what he comes up with...  :sarcasm:

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#4 Rhiannonjk

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Posted 15 September 2005 - 10:06 AM

I'm with Zwolfe - Congress is at fault here as well, so why should they be expected to fairly follow through with the investigation?

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Posted 15 September 2005 - 10:15 AM

The Idea has merit it just appeared to me to be partisan from the start out.
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Posted 15 September 2005 - 10:18 AM

There should be an independent counsel to investigate this (one of the few times I've agreed with Hillary Clinton) but in this case I do. You don't ask the Fox to investigate the raided chicken coop. Anything that comes out of this would be little more than partisan finger pointing or a flat out whitewash.
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Posted 15 September 2005 - 10:40 AM

I see the original link no longer works. Maybe this one will:

http://www.woodtv.co...y.asp?s=3850198

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In a CNN/USA Today Gallup poll taken September 8-11, 70 percent of those surveyed supported an independent panel to investigate the government's response to Katrina. Only 29 percent were opposed.

The overwhelming desire of the American people shouldn't be dismissed as partisanship.
So what if the Democrats proposed this? In this case, they proposed something that most Americans want to see happen.
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Posted 15 September 2005 - 10:48 AM

Spectacles, on Sep 15 2005, 10:40 AM, said:

I see the original link no longer works. Maybe this one will:

http://www.woodtv.co...y.asp?s=3850198

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In a CNN/USA Today Gallup poll taken September 8-11, 70 percent of those surveyed supported an independent panel to investigate the government's response to Katrina. Only 29 percent were opposed.

The overwhelming desire of the American people shouldn't be dismissed as partisanship.
So what if the Democrats proposed this? In this case, they proposed something that most Americans want to see happen.

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Posted 15 September 2005 - 10:58 AM

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Coyote: Since when did the majority opinion mean anything here in the US?

Sadly, true.
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#10 Broph

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Posted 15 September 2005 - 12:09 PM

So the solution would be to waste several more million dollars just so we can point fingers?

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Posted 15 September 2005 - 12:11 PM

Great. This was the greatest natural disaster we've ever had and it's important to find out what went wrong - not to nail Bush, but to saves lives down the line if a disaster of this magnitude hits again.  :glare:  :glare:

Too many people died because we were not adequately prepared to deal with a disaster like Katrina - we need to do better the next time.

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Posted 15 September 2005 - 12:14 PM

Broph, on Sep 15 2005, 01:09 PM, said:

So the solution would be to waste several more million dollars just so we can point fingers?

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Or to find out if somebody is criminally liable for the death of thousands.  Or perhaps to figure out what really did go wrong, so that in future events we don't make the same mistakes - or to change the way the system works.  

To me, it is very important to figure out what went wrong, not because I want to see the Bush Administration in a bad position at any opportunity, but because I still hold onto the silly idea that we can learn from our mistakes.

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Posted 15 September 2005 - 01:27 PM

Crminially liable? There were a lot of really bad decisions, but unless you can prove negligence or malice, you'll never prove criminally liable.

Review things for the next disaster? We knew that the storm was coming. We've been through 9-11. If we weren't prepared this time, what are we really going to learn from an independent investigation?

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Posted 15 September 2005 - 01:49 PM

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Broph: Review things for the next disaster? We knew that the storm was coming. We've been through 9-11. If we weren't prepared this time, what are we really going to learn from an independent investigation?

We can cut through the partisan rear-end covering on both sides with an independent investigation and find out if there is a flaw in our emergency response plans (local, state, and federal) or if there was a flaw in execution. In either case--or both--those flaws should never be repeated again.

Right now, the Republicans are blaming the Democratic governor and mayor of New Orleans (neglecting to say much about the Republican governor of Mississippi, where FEMA was also missing in action for too long--and still is in some locations.) The Democrats downplay the state and local responsibilities. We need an even-handed, objective review of what happened, what didn't happen, and why.
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Posted 15 September 2005 - 02:04 PM

Broph, I don't understand.  Are you saying that because we experience 9-11, we are now as prepared for emergencies as we will ever be?  Just because we have had that behind us, and say that we are more prepared now, the actual fact is that our emergency preparedness failed on some level.  

It sounds like you are saying there is no room for improvement.  I refuse to believe that there is anything in this world that does not have room for improvement.

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Posted 15 September 2005 - 02:39 PM

I would like an investigation but not just to give people finger pointing ammo. I agree FEMA messed up but so did a number of other agencies. Both state and federal. I think that the Govenor's office has a bit more of the blame and the mayor did not do more to evacuate invalid people from the area.
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Posted 15 September 2005 - 02:46 PM

Honest question here, I really want to know what some of the supporters of the current administration think:  

Is there any way that an unbiased investigation could come to the conclusion that the Federal Government, from the top down, was largely at fault without it being decreed as "finger pointing?"

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Posted 15 September 2005 - 02:54 PM

I think a seven person panel with additional eight person expert group simular to the NASA probe into Apollo 1's fire.

The main panel is to take in the expert's info and release it's report.

Three will be appointed from each party and the seventh by an appointment from the current USSC. And it does not need to be a judge but simply someone from outside the political game.


Not saying that the six will vote party lines but it removes the possibility of a percieved imbalance.
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Posted 15 September 2005 - 02:56 PM

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I think that the Govenor's office has a bit more of the blame


**** Just in Louisiana, or does that go for Mississippi, too?

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Posted 15 September 2005 - 02:58 PM

Sad to say I have seen little about Mississippi in the media. After all it's not NO therefore the media is not as concerned.
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