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[Captain Jack]

Obviously, President Bush's approval ratings have been at an all time low due to many events that have occured in the last five years or so.  How do YOU think of him, intellectually speaking, as President given his performance?

Here's a neat way of looking at this poll:

Spectacles, on Sep 22 2005, 11:52 PM, said:

Postive:
This guy is a freakin' genius.
He's been pretty good.
He's been smart a time or two.
He has fought for the American people. 
He has fought for freedom.

Neutral / not strongly negative
Nobody's perfect. He's been alright, I guess.
He's so-so. Neutral.
He's made some mistakes.
He's just unlucky.

Negative
He's made a lot of mistakes. 
This guy is an idiot. He hasn't got a clue what to do. 
He has failed the American people.
He has fooled the American public.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Thanks Spectacles

Edited yet AGAIN...

Edited by A Karas, 26 September 2005 - 10:52 PM.

[WiLL]

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This guy is a freakin' genius.

In the sense of that even if he is a dumb a** , greedy p*g , who gained his chair by treachery and got re elected by fooling millions with big promises , and still have supporters , you could say that ...

but for me he's just a good swindler who fooled millions  

[nutmeg]

I would also have voted that he has failed the American people and the world community had I been able to 'check all that apply". How is this country honestly better with the dollar in the toilet, getting little respect from other nations, divided so much that we can hardly speak civilly to one another, and with an economy that is propped up on the equivalent of chewing gum and baling wire? And if Mr Bush has truly fallen off the sobriety wagon, we are really in big trouble. I could go on and on, but you get the drift.

Not here to fight with anyone, just voicing an opinion.

edited to add: intellectually, he ain't there, I'm afraid. His parents propped him up, his party propped him up, his handlers propped him up. Now I see the props falling all around him. What's left is questionable.

nutmeg

Edited by nutmeg, 22 September 2005 - 06:27 PM.

[G1223]

Really nice informtive polling system.

Five choices dropping in scale to Neutral and seven choices that are negative. Why not the one choice Bush is perfect. Which even his supporters do not say he is and 52 choices of how he is the spawn of Satan.

[nutmeg]

So don't participate, G. Go to a Love-Bush thread instead. They're all around you. I don't whine about those, don't whine about this one. Comprende? Geez, louise!

nutmeg

[Shalamar]

I do agree that the poll is rather tilted toward the negative and would have been better if it could have been check all that apply.

[Spectacles]

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Nutmeg: I would also have voted that he has failed the American people....

That's my vote.

Record deficits.
Shrinking middle class.
Skyrocketing health care costs.
Poorly executed, disastrous Iraq War.
Crony capitalists running the country.
Science debased by the religious right's "scientific correctness."
Phony, scripted town hall meetings for preapproved, fawning audiences.
Karl Rove directing policy decisions (tax cuts, etc.) for political gains, not for objectively sound reasons.

All in all, from my perspective, it's been a bad five years and I truly worry about the shape we'll be in at the end of 2008.

I know not everyone here sees it that way. I honestly envy them because from where I stand, we're in deep trouble in many ways.

I want to add, though, that I don't see any magical solutions coming from either party. But Bush is responsible for presiding over a sharp decline in American prosperity and power. And I think it's because this isn't a fact-based, rational administration.  I recommend Ron Suskind's The Price of Loyalty to anyone who thinks it is....On second thought, you're probably better off just thinking that Bush's only problem is that some people hate him irrationally because it sure is depressing and scary to see what's happening to this country under his stewardship if you don't believe him or Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity or Ann Coulter, etc.

[Spectacles]

Postive:
This guy is a freakin' genius.
He's been pretty good.
He's been smart a time or two.
He has fought for the American people.  
He has fought for freedom.

Neutral / not strongly negative
Nobody's perfect. He's been alright, I guess.
He's so-so. Neutral.
He's made some mistakes.
He's just unlucky.

Negative
He's made a lot of mistakes.  
This guy is an idiot. He hasn't got a clue what to do.  
He has failed the American people.
He has fooled the American public.

[emsparks]

G W is going to be the richest man at the communist reeducation camp. He will spend his golden years sipping mint juleps, and damming the poor for not having the personal drive, and enterprise to save his presidency and there by the American nation.

There is one thing I will never forgive him for and that is using the phrase “This part of the world,” all the time when referring to Louisiana and New Orleans. The correct phase is; “this part of the country.”

[WildChildCait]

Are non-americans allowed to vote, or will this be seen as bush-bashing?
And america-bashing?

Edited by Chaddee, 22 September 2005 - 06:59 PM.

[emsparks]

Chaddee, on Sep 22 2005, 07:59 PM, said:

Are non-americans allowed to vote, or will this be seen as bush-bashing?
And america-bashing?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Your a board member so I say vote...

Or maybe we need a poll on that too...

[Nonny]

Chaddee, on Sep 22 2005, 03:59 PM, said:

Are non-americans allowed to vote, or will this be seen as bush-bashing?
And america-bashing?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Please!  I see nothing in the original post that limits this to Americans.  

I voted:

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This guy is an idiot. He hasn't got a clue what to do.

That's not Bush bashing, but a simple statement of fact as I see it.  

Nonny

[WildChildCait]

I'm sorry, it's just i've once too many been basically told to butt out as i'm not an american, or that criticism of the goverment automatically means disaproval of all americans therefore I must be evil, yadda yadda. .....i figured i'd save myself the hassle and check first.


AKaras, oh creator of the poll, what says you?

[G1223]

nutmeg, on Sep 22 2005, 11:30 PM, said:

So don't participate, G. Go to a Love-Bush thread instead. They're all around you. I don't whine about those, don't whine about this one. Comprende? Geez, louise!

nutmeg

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

You mean this is not your whine? You mean in all the other threads we have had that are just Bush Bashing you were not whining? Damm I guess whining and discussion are the same tone of voice.
Odd we get told to be part of the community and when I do it I get you wanting to whine about me pointing out that the poll is not fair.

So please stop calling it a poll and just call it what it is a Bush bashing thread and we can leave it to that. But never tell us that this forum being about the free exchange of ideas. Because it sure is hell isn't one with this sort of attitude.

[Natolii]

G1223, on Sep 23 2005, 01:30 AM, said:

nutmeg, on Sep 22 2005, 11:30 PM, said:

So don't participate, G. Go to a Love-Bush thread instead. They're all around you. I don't whine about those, don't whine about this one. Comprende? Geez, louise!

nutmeg

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

You mean this is not your whine? You mean in all the other threads we have had that are just Bush Bashing you were not whining? Damm I guess whining and discussion are the same tone of voice.
Odd we get told to be part of the community and when I do it I get you wanting to whine about me pointing out that the poll is not fair.

So please stop calling it a poll and just call it what it is a Bush bashing thread and we can leave it to that. But never tell us that this forum being about the free exchange of ideas. Because it sure is hell isn't one with this sort of attitude.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Actually, when you break it down, there are more POSITIVE options...

The fact remains we have a *political system* that has failed the people.

Unfunded Mandates for Education with an Emphasis on Testing...

Tax cuts for the Rich as seen by the Bill to repeal the Estate Tax which is currently in Congress.

This government is not "For the People, By the People."

[Kosh]

G1223, on Sep 23 2005, 01:30 AM, said:

nutmeg, on Sep 22 2005, 11:30 PM, said:

So don't participate, G. Go to a Love-Bush thread instead. They're all around you. I don't whine about those, don't whine about this one. Comprende? Geez, louise!

nutmeg

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

You mean this is not your whine? You mean in all the other threads we have had that are just Bush Bashing you were not whining? Damm I guess whining and discussion are the same tone of voice.
Odd we get told to be part of the community and when I do it I get you wanting to whine about me pointing out that the poll is not fair.

So please stop calling it a poll and just call it what it is a Bush bashing thread and we can leave it to that. But never tell us that this forum being about the free exchange of ideas. Because it sure is hell isn't one with this sort of attitude.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

It's getting to the point that no one can defend your right to speak.
The thread is negative, what do you expect, for them to suddenly start a Bush love thread? See you when your ban is over.



I'm the one "Made Soime Mistakes". The bad part to that is when the President and his staff make mistakes, lots of people die.

Edited by Kosh, 23 September 2005 - 07:54 AM.

[Godeskian]

Natolii, on Sep 23 2005, 01:01 PM, said:

Tax cuts for the Rich as seen by the Bill to repeal the Estate Tax which is currently in Congress.

This government is not "For the People, By the People."

Are you saying the rich aren't people?

[Lord of the Sword]

I voted for He made a lot of mistakes. Although, I think this picture sums Bush up best:

[Lin731]

LotS,
sadly that sums it up pretty well.

[Zwolf]

I voted for "he has failed the American people" because that one has the most actual evidence to back it up.

Personally, I think he's an idiot, but I could be wrong - he could just be evil and doing the bad things on purpose.  So, I didn't vote for that one.   I also passed over "he has fooled the American public" because that would mean he's evil, and I'm not sure he is.   He has definitely made a lot of mistakes, but it's conjecture to say what caused them.   He may have had the best intentions in the world and just not the skill and intelligence to make good plans.

So, I just went with failed.  Whether it was a malicous failure or a despite-his-best-efforts-to-do-good failure (like I think Carter had - I still think Carter was a terrible president, but I think he's a good person who just wasn't suited for the job.  That could be the case with Bush - I dunno).

Cheers,

Zwolf