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#1 Guest-AleisterCrowley-Guest

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Posted 24 April 2003 - 10:12 PM

Our much-discussed anti-war protesters have rebounded...

http://www.cnn.com/2...icks/index.html

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Posted 24 April 2003 - 10:18 PM

One more reason for me to adore Bruce Springsteen:

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The Chicks earned support from another musical quarter recently. On his Web site, Bruce Springsteen defended the group's right to say what they believe.

"The Dixie Chicks have taken a big hit lately for exercising their basic right to express themselves," wrote Springsteen -- who has been touring overseas. "For them to be banished wholesale from radio stations, and even entire radio networks, for speaking out is un-American. The pressure coming from the government and big business to enforce conformity of thought concerning the war and politics goes against everything that this country is about -- namely freedom."

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Posted 24 April 2003 - 10:29 PM

Una Salus Lillius, on Apr 24 2003, 02:02 PM, said:

One more reason for me to adore Bruce Springsteen:

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The Chicks earned support from another musical quarter recently. On his Web site, Bruce Springsteen defended the group's right to say what they believe.

"The Dixie Chicks have taken a big hit lately for exercising their basic right to express themselves," wrote Springsteen -- who has been touring overseas. "For them to be banished wholesale from radio stations, and even entire radio networks, for speaking out is un-American. The pressure coming from the government and big business to enforce conformity of thought concerning the war and politics goes against everything that this country is about -- namely freedom."

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No one here has said that they shouldn't be allowed to speak their minds. But nearly everyone has stated that they should be willing to face the consequences of what they say. That's the responsibility that goes along with this hard-won freedom.

Contrary to what Bruce is saying, the right of radio stations to not play the Dixie Chicks is quintessentially American.

Edited by Drew, 24 April 2003 - 10:31 PM.

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Posted 24 April 2003 - 10:34 PM

Needless to say, I'm gonna stick with Da Boss on this one.:)
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Posted 24 April 2003 - 10:41 PM

There are a lot of very good artists who get little to no radio play; often because of what they believe. If the Dixie Chicks don't get airplay, it just makes them part of a very large group. This is part and parcel of our capitalist structure.

I mean, I wouldn't know a Dixie Chick if she walked up and bit me on the butt, but the homogenization of the Entertainment industry has at least assured that I *know of* the Dixie Chicks. But I guarantee that if you flipped through my extremely large CD collection you probably wouldn't recognize 90% of the artists.

Regarding the article, it appears to confirm the adage that all press is good press. The writer states that most of the Dixie Chicks' shows have already sold out. And I guess until we see the Secret Police escorting the Chicks offstage, the cries of "censorship" are unfounded.

Edited by Drew, 24 April 2003 - 11:51 PM.

"Someone must have slandered Josef K., for one morning, without having done anything wrong, he was arrested."

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Posted 24 April 2003 - 11:38 PM

Thank you, Mr Crowley!! I heard about this one the radio, but had forgotten to look it up.
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Posted 25 April 2003 - 12:07 AM

Drew, on Apr 24 2003, 07:25 PM, said:

Regarding the article, it appears to confirm the adage that all press is good press. The writer states that most of the Dixie Chicks' shows have already sold out. And I guess until we see the Secret Police escorting the Chicks offstage, the cries of "censorship" are unfounded.
Quite. Before this little ruckus I'd never heard of the Dixie Chicks.
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Posted 25 April 2003 - 02:39 AM

Perhaps the nude scenario, rather than the explanation they give, is more of a ploy for popularity.

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Posted 25 April 2003 - 02:50 AM

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I actually liked it (and I usually don't go in for that stuff...Like I didn't like that whole pregnant Demi Moore thing).  I think it's tasteful and certainly an......eyecatching way of making their statement...

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Posted 25 April 2003 - 02:55 AM

AleisterCrowley, on Apr 24 2003, 11:23 PM, said:

Perhaps the nude scenario, rather than the explanation they give, is more of a ploy for popularity.
Publicity ploy does come to mind…
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Posted 25 April 2003 - 03:00 AM

Una Salus Lillius, on Apr 24 2003, 06:34 PM, said:

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I actually liked it (and I usually don't go in for that stuff...Like I didn't like that whole pregnant Demi Moore thing).  I think it's tasteful and certainly an......eyecatching way of making their statement...

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But that's not what I suggested.  I find none of the three personally appealing, but taste doesn't come into it here.  I am suggesting this is a cheap way to boost their popularity.

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Posted 25 April 2003 - 03:00 AM

Una Salus Lillius, on Apr 24 2003, 11:34 PM, said:

^

I actually liked it (and I usually don't go in for that stuff...Like I didn't like that whole pregnant Demi Moore thing).  I think it's tasteful and certainly an......eyecatching way of making their statement...

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Indeed, after i saw that cover i begin to wonder if maybe i should know who the Dixie Chicks are.....  :ninja:

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Posted 25 April 2003 - 03:06 AM

I'm indifferent to their return, more or less. Not a C&W fan.

However....

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"The Dixie Chicks have taken a big hit lately for exercising their basic right to express themselves,"

Indirectly, yes. It was TIIC of media stations who thought the DC's wouldn't sell after this. They were, apparently, wrong.

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"For them to be banished wholesale from radio stations, and even entire radio networks, for speaking out is un-American.

Nothing's more American than capitalism. It appears that station managers misjudged market pressures. It happens.

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The pressure coming from the government

Excuse me? What acts or laws have been enacted by the government to 'encourage' conformity?

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and big business to enforce conformity of thought concerning the war and politics goes against everything that this country is about -- namely freedom."

The thing about big business is that they can do what they want, within the law. They've commited no crime.

The DC's have freedom too. So does big business. :).

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Posted 25 April 2003 - 03:22 AM

enTranced, on Apr 25 2003, 12:44 AM, said:

Una Salus Lillius, on Apr 24 2003, 11:34 PM, said:

^

I actually liked it (and I usually don't go in for that stuff...Like I didn't like that whole pregnant Demi Moore thing).  I think it's tasteful and certainly an......eyecatching way of making their statement...

Lil
Indeed, after i saw that cover i begin to wonder if maybe i should know who the Dixie Chicks are.....  :ninja:

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Posted 25 April 2003 - 04:33 AM

Javert Rovinski, on Apr 24 2003, 11:50 PM, said:

Nothing's more American than capitalism.
Capitalism Yum!  :D
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Posted 25 April 2003 - 04:50 AM

enTranced, on Apr 24 2003, 06:44 PM, said:

Una Salus Lillius, on Apr 24 2003, 11:34 PM, said:

^

I actually liked it (and I usually don't go in for that stuff...Like I didn't like that whole pregnant Demi Moore thing).  I think it's tasteful and certainly an......eyecatching way of making their statement...

Lil
Indeed, after i saw that cover i begin to wonder if maybe i should know who the Dixie Chicks are.....  :ninja:

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Posted 25 April 2003 - 05:12 AM

AleisterCrowley, on Apr 24 2003, 06:44 PM, said:

Una Salus Lillius, on Apr 24 2003, 06:34 PM, said:

^

I actually liked it (and I usually don't go in for that stuff...Like I didn't like that whole pregnant Demi Moore thing).  I think it's tasteful and certainly an......eyecatching way of making their statement...

Lil
But that's not what I suggested.  I find none of the three personally appealing, but taste doesn't come into it here.  I am suggesting this is a cheap way to boost their popularity.
You're the third guy I've heard/seen say that today.
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Posted 25 April 2003 - 05:13 AM

AleisterCrowley, on Apr 24 2003, 07:44 PM, said:

this is a cheap way to boost their popularity.
There are uncheap ways to boost one's popularity?

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Posted 25 April 2003 - 05:47 AM

Well I was right about one thing, they haven't been hurt a bit by being pulled off the radio.  

The comment at the concert was to play to a certain audience, and now this is to play for another one.  I just wish that our paragons of free speech were more than simply pseudo-pop publicity 'hos.  I think the cover is rather fitting to the pandering nature of this whole thing.  Now instead of simply a forgettable country crossover girl group, they're anti-war martyrs.  Sickening.  If I actually believed in their sincerity, I might be a little less annoyed.  Nothing says "look at me" quite like stripping bare-ass and hopping on the cover of a magazine.  

I guess I should take some comfort that the world is an utterly predictable place.  

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Posted 25 April 2003 - 06:24 AM

Keep in mind that before radio stations quit playing them, their ex-fans were already stomping on their CDs in public and telling radio stations that they'd turn off or change the station whenever they heard them playing. Many in the radio biz simply overestimated how well these people represented Dixie Chicks fandom overall, and have changed their business decisions to suit their better understanding of the fans' feelings now.

It's an easy mistake to make; on many previous occasions, stars have ticked off their fans and the people in charge responded by ceasing to play their music or cast them in roles or whatever, and the fans were happy with that. One of the best examples might even be in country music, Hank Williams Junior, a staple of country music throughout most of the USA for years, doesn't exist in Kansas City (except for his Monday Night Football intros, which are a nationwide network's programming). Why? Just as the Dixie Chicks insulted anyone and everyone who doesn't sufficiently hate Bush, HWJ insulted his KC fans with his behavior at a concert years ago, making it impossible for KC country music fans to hear his music without remembering it. All of Kansas City's country stations quit playing his music in response to the uproar that slammed their phone lines the next day. Since then, country music fans in KC have not complained a bit; they still can't stand HWJ and still wouldn't listen to him if he were played and still would probably negatively remember the station that had done it; many won't even sit through the intro to Monday Night Football. And a whole generation of country music fans in KC and even surrounding parts of Missouri and Kansas have lived their whole country-music-fan lives with practically no awareness of HWJ's existence.

That's like a large metropolis full of heavy metal fans who don't know who Guns & Roses ever was/were, or who know just enough to categorically detest them. If you ran a radio station in that city, not playing G&R wouldn't be censorship, it would be sound business.

HWJ doesn't whine about this, though. He doesn't bring it up. But once, when asked, he did answer that the people and businesses of Kansas City are just doing what they choose to, and that he's learned from it and has nobody to blame but himself for his mistakes. But the Dixie Chicks want not to have to deal with any kind of responsibility or consequences. They spout off about infringements on freedoms that aren't being infringed at all, because they're emotionally unable to handle the fact that the right to do something does not equal freedom from other people's right to react to it when you do it. This is just pitifully childish.



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