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#41 Cheile

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Posted 09 October 2005 - 02:10 AM

disgusting!  i say file all the charges possible on this bastard!  he could have killed the student.

and Nonny is right.  for all the lip service on accomodating the disabled, most teachers and schools don't care unless they are made to care.  especially when one has a learning disability that many believe do not even exist and/or is made-up.

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#42 Natolii

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Posted 09 October 2005 - 07:36 AM

Cheile, on Oct 9 2005, 03:10 AM, said:

disgusting!  i say file all the charges possible on this bastard!  he could have killed the student.

and Nonny is right.  for all the lip service on accomodating the disabled, most teachers and schools don't care unless they are made to care.  especially when one has a learning disability that many believe do not even exist and/or is made-up.

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Too true.
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#43 Lord of the Sword

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Posted 09 October 2005 - 10:36 AM

Rhys, on Oct 7 2005, 05:26 PM, said:

If it's "attempted", it can't be "manslaughter"

Manslaughter is (quoting dictionary.com): The unlawful killing of one human by another without express or implied intent to do injury.

This sort of incident would fall under "assault".

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Hmmmm. Guess assault would have to do, since he couldn't be charged with attempted murder: since that charge would mean the teacher was trying to kill the student, which I don't think is the case.

Oh well, assault should still put him behind bars for a couple of years.
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#44 Lord of the Sword

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Posted 09 October 2005 - 10:42 AM

Aurelius, on Oct 8 2005, 11:32 AM, said:

To punish and humiliate him????? Where is the evidence of that. The teacher went to take what he thought was a mobile phone off the student. That's not punishment or humiliation. Aurelius

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The way he went about it proves the teacher wanted to humilate him....the mere fact that the teacher GRABBED AND PULLED the pump out proves that. He was trying to "put the child in it's place, by forcibly proving whose the superior". Otherwise he could've just walked over to the child, held out his hand, and demanded the phone. Which would've given the child an opportunity to say it was an insulin pump.

The fact that the kid didn't have that opportunity means the teacher yanked and pulled so fast, and hard. Only reason for that being is too humilate a child.
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#45 Lord of the Sword

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Posted 09 October 2005 - 10:44 AM

Aurelius, on Oct 7 2005, 05:47 PM, said:

Ohh, come on. Please!! Talk about an over reaction!!   :eh:  :eh:  :wacko:
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Criminal charges, IMO, are not an over reaction. If this kid had been my child, and the teacher did this...then you would've seen an over reaction. Because the story wouldn't have ended with just: "teacher pulls out insulin pump."
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#46 Nonny

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Posted 09 October 2005 - 07:49 PM

Aurelius, on Oct 8 2005, 08:32 AM, said:

Nonny, on Oct 8 2005, 03:06 PM, said:

Aurelius, on Oct 8 2005, 04:48 AM, said:

Natolii, I disagree. This was, from the info given, a mistake.  It wasn't a deliberate act to harm the child

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Disagreement back at you.  The fact that it was not a deliberate act to harm the child is meaningless in the context of the act itself.  It was done to punish and humiliate the child.  The fact that it harmed the child is due to the unfortunate attitude of some people that their right to pound others into round holes is more important than the right of others to live the best lives they can in spite of being square pegs.  :angry:  

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To punish and humiliate him????? Where is the evidence of that. The teacher went to take what he thought was a mobile phone off the student. That's not punishment or humiliation.
He used force.  That's punishment and it's humiliating, as it is meant to be.  

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Now, how he did it was completely wrong, I'm not disputing that. But I think, going from the evidence in the article, that he was trying to maintain classroom discipline; a feat that is increasingly hard to do.
Classroom discipline is especially hard for the inflexible, intolerant, hit/grab/bully first and sort it all out later types.  

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A mobile phone is an unacceptable disruption in a class.

And yet, there was no mobile phone!

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The fact that the teacher was mistaken in both his analysis and handling of the situation is extremely regrettable. But I certainly don't think that this was a case of the teacher trying to force his opinion on others. And I don't see where you're getting that.

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Um, lost you there.  I don't believe I said that this is a case of a teacher trying to force his opinions on others, but a case of a teacher using force to take something away from a student without bothering to let the student explain what it was.  

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#47 Natolii

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Posted 09 October 2005 - 08:36 PM

According to the student's statement, The tube was removed on the second grab...

That was is deliberate. Not removing the tube persay, but the action that led to the tube becoming dislodged.
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