gsmonks: Here in Canada we like all sane, reasonable countries were against the US and its accomplices going to war with a country as technologically advanced as the Flintstones.
If you sat Iraq and Canada side by side geographically prior to Operation Iraqi Freedom I would have put my money on Iraq in the fight. Sure their military was on the verge of breaking and antiquated. Yet Iraq actually had weapons and plenty of ordnance. They also had tanks and a few divisions worth of troops. The only thing that could tip the balance was the CF-18s and the last time I checked the Canadian Air Force didn’t even have enough ordnance for training much less a war. In other words against a country like Canada that third rate military power of Iraq would have had a fair chance of stomping you guys into the ground.
Which is sad since many of the Canadian people aren’t willing to support a military establishment that until recently has a history of exemplary service and a combat record equal to the US military on a smaller scale. That military is still professional they just have nothing. I’ll never be disappointed in the Canadian Military if they continue their present level of professionalism, just the people in Canada who refuse to support those who go and stick out their necks so many can sit in their ivory towers.
The only aspect of the Flintstones when it came to Iraq was that one country was the sole remaining military hyperpower whereas the other was third rate. Iraq though against many countries would have been far from declawed.
gsmonks: When you export to a country,you make sure your interests are secured.USSR did that,NATO countries did and continue to do that.So,you have right to worry,but with measure.
Germany and France have been looking to get the ban on exporting weapons to China lifted for sometime. This is so they can sell advanced weapons and technology to China. China has tons of cash on hand and plenty of money to buy a sub like this one.
gsmonks: Shrub is guilty of the murder of hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians, people who were murdered as the result of an illegal war that was not sanctioned by the UN.
As Tennyson stated the war is not illegal and it never will be under current international law. This attempt to paint it as illegal comes from a severe misunderstanding on the matter of international law. It also comes from the desire of some antiwar supporters to turn a debate over the whether the war was moral or not into a legal debate with no shades of gray. The simple fact is that this war was totally legal and nothing is going to change that.
The US as a signatory on the First Gulf War ceasefire has the option of resuming hostilities if the terms of the ceasefire were broken. Iraq clearly violated these terms by firing on US/British planes enforcing the no fly zones, by violating the terms of the no fly zones, and by obstructing the weapons inspectors countless times over the past decade. Any of those violations allow the US to step in and take Iraq out.
Now if you want to cite that this war is illegal then show us the International Law and the precedent
to go with it. Otherwise it all comes to a debate of morality in shades of gray.
gsmonks: Shrub is also guilty of the deaths and maimings of thousands of unwitting US soldiers.
Those soldiers signed up for that duty and to call them unwitting is an insult to their intelligence. Now there have been countless times they haven’t got the support, the equipment, or the numbers they needed from both sides of the political spectrum. I’ll be the first to point out those instances. That said calling them unwitting is an insult to every one of them.
gsmonk: Shrub did toy with the idea of using "mini-nukes" in Iraq, as did Donald Rumsfeld. I heard them on my own television with my own ears.
The US has “toyed” with or more accurately studied the potential use of nuclear weapons for every conflict we have been in since the first thing were first developed. This is hardly a new thing. We have hundred of contingency plans for god only knows what type of unlikely situations. I guarantee somewhere we have a plan sitting catching dust in a drawer for a nuclear attack on Canada just in case or just as a exercise to keep planners sharp. The Canadian Military probably has similar old plans for attacking the US sitting somewhere. Every military does it.
gsmonks: You seem to be suffering from short-term memory loss. Here's a little reminder.
Cite the International Law and the precedent that says this war is illegal. I don’t mean some opinion piece by such and such person in the anti-war crowd doing the usual this war is illegal rant. I’d love to see the real cold hard legal case. .
gsmonks: Yes, the pilots of US fighters are fed drugs that get them all hyped up to murder and kill. For them, slaughtering innocent people was like playing video games, pumped up on 200 cups of coffee:
I assume you are citing Tarnak Farm. The US pilots were aggressive but that aggression wouldn’t have led anywhere if Canadian Troops were following proper procedure. They failed to follow proper IFF procedures that would have alerted US forces that they were friendly and they didn’t even know what those procedures were. If the Canadian Government and the voting bloc of Canadians more interested in health care then a stable military actually supported their military it wouldn’t have happened. They’d have systems like Blue Force Tracker that would have alerted the pilots that they were friendly.
There is plenty of blame to go around on both sides. Our fighter pilots were a little too aggressive but you want aggressive fighter pilots. That is why you have IFF procedures so they know what they are shooting at. Tarnak Farms was a tragic mistake on both sides and a brutal look at the reality of war and friendly fire.
gsmonks: Saudi Arabia currently is not a dangerous state nor it will be.Too dependant from the West.
Tell that to the hardliners and fanatics. Saudi Arabia is a ticking time bomb that no one has the capability to deal with because they are sitting on a critical amount of our oil. Saudi Arabia when she comes apart will make the Iranian Revolution look tame.
Edited by CJ AEGIS, 05 November 2005 - 01:33 PM.
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