Gaheris: *shakes head about comments in the first post here* such a thinking is retarded.
And thank you Zaugur and Enkanowen for your words. The war has been over for ages and we have become a proud and intelligent nation. And I'm sure some ppl in here still don't know that Hitler wasn't German and is actually dead!
I could care less if Germany has this submarine or not but exports scare me badly.
The post was not directed at Germany or the German people and it sure doesn’t have anything to do with World War II. I would have the same concern if France, Russia or any other nation that is a little loose with their weapons exports developed an advanced submarine that could challenge a SSN or threaten a carrier strike group. The fact is that this submarine is for export and that is what scares me.
Germany has shown a desire along with France to get the weapons sanctions on China dropped so they can export advanced weapons. China has military interests that threaten the United States and our allies. I can cite the news stories to show you their latest attempt at it. An advanced submarine like this in her hands could cut the sea-lanes and potentially kill several thousand American sailors. You can also search back over my history and find several posts involving several countries where I have stated this or that weapons system could be a threat.
I question why my logic is retarded when Germany has showed a vested interest in exporting weapons to a country whose military blusters at, threatens the US, and is preparing for a potential future military conflict with us.
gsmonks: That the US-led "war" in Iraq was illegal is well-documented and proven beyond any reasonable doubt.
Cite me the example of the international law and precedent that proves shows how the US led war is illegal. I want to see this law that says declaring war without UN approval is illegal in cases where a ceasefire has been violated.
gsmonks: That the "reasons" the US concocted were unfounded lies is well-documented and proven beyond any reasonable doubt.
Did Iraqi Military Forces fire on US and British Aircraft enforcing the no fly zone over Iraq? That is all the legal justification the US needed to declare the ceasefire violated and thus resume hostilities against Iraq. Anything else is a political trapping associated with getting the people to agree with going to war to redress the ceasefire violations. It is up to the American People to judge the administration on their reasoning not the world community. The only justification needed from a international law angle was those Iraqi missiles launched at our UAVs and fighters.
gsmonks: My views are in accordance with the UN, including its current leader, Kofi Annan,
Kofi Annan had a vested interest in Saddam remaining in power since his son was neck deep in the corrupt Oil for Food Program. Saddam had the UN in his pocket from buying them off with his blood money. Considering Annan’s own son was in the middle of this corruption I can’t see how the man can be claimed as a unbiased source. If anything Oil for Food shows just how corrupt and totally ineffectual the UN is. On top of that the UN has far more blood on their hands then their supporters want to claim. Between Rwanda, the Congo, and countless other sideshows the UN in their ineffectiveness has racked up quite the death toll. Their halls are covered with so much blood that they can never speak from any sort of high moral ground.
gsmonks: That you would defend the US-led despicable and illegal mass-murder in Iraq speaks volumes for your mentality.
My mentality is that when a country commits an act of war against the US by firing at our aircraft or military personnel enforcing an international agreement we should stomp their military out and remove their government from power. My position is that brutal dictators who oppress, abuse, torture, and kill their people should not be left in power. They should not be allowed to profit from the corruption of the UN through the Oil for Food program. My position is that no one should be allowed to think that they could fire at a US military aircraft and get away with it.
Gode: Don't forget, the UN itself has said that the US should have got approval from the security council first.
While the approval of the Security Council is nice as long as they don’t expect you to operate under their command during war it isn’t needed. There is no law on the books that says you need UN approval to go to war.
Gsmonks: As they are experts in international law, I would saw that their chances of being right are pretty good.
Most of these international lawyers are interested in seeing the UN as the one World Government. They pretty much say the following “the US led war against Iraq is illegal” because I say so with no evidence and without citing any law. They make no case that it is illegal and provide no evidence by citing laws and precedence
gsmonks: I personally think that the Iraq war was an excuse for the US military to try out all its fancy new toys, and to train its soldiers how to use all that fancy new hardware in real-life situations.
I think we would have had plenty of training experience in Afghanistan by that point.
gsmonks: Historically speaking, the US hasn't won a ground war since Korea,
What was the First Gulf War? If that doesn’t count as a Ground War then the US hasn’t won a ground war since Korea since Vietnam was the only ground war during that time. On top of that historically speaking the Korean War wasn’t won by the US but rather “ended” in a stalemate with an armistice. A peace treaty has technically never ended the war.
Gsmonks: And both Iran and Korea have all the things the US claimed Iraq had when it built Iraq into a threat and invaded. Both are rogue nuclear states. Both have been cited for endless human-rights violations. Both did some serious sabre-rattling.
North Korea already has nuclear weapons. They have them deployed with delivery systems that might be able to reach the US or US territories. They also have enough artillery pointed at Seoul to kill whether over a million people in the first 20 minutes of any war. It isn’t militarily viable to take on North Korea. Iran on the other hand is a much tougher nut to crack than Iraq was. The bases to jump off of to invade it were less accessible. And to top it all off since then US forces have been tied down in Iraq.
Zaugur Anasazi: I would fear more the Armed Forces of Jordan,the best by far in the whole Arabic World, rather than those of Saudi Arabia......
Jordan is offset by Israel who would squish them if they ever pushed it a little too much again.
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