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#1 CJ AEGIS

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Posted 03 May 2003 - 01:35 AM

Iím not a fan of the PRC or the governmentís policies but this incident is a tragedy.

The submarine was a Ming Class boat with the hull number 361. She was recovered on the surface adrift with the crew dead.  Speculation is going along the lines of two possible routes.  The first is that there may have been a leak of torpedo propellant that poisoned the crew.  The second line of speculation is that a weld sprang a leak or other water source leaked in the battery room and that created chlorine gas that was spread throughout the vessel.  She may have been running on the surface at the time but Iíd question that since none of the crew survived.  Iíd say it was more likely that she was snorting or running deeper.  The crew blew the tanks to try to reach the surface but the gas got them before the reached it.        

Not a pleasant way to go. :(

China says sub disaster killed 70

70 dead in China sub accident


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An accident on a Chinese diesel-powered submarine killed all 70 sailors aboard, the government said overnight, in a rare admission of a military disaster.

The accident occurred "recently" in the Yellow Sea off China's northeast coast, the official Xinhua News Agency said in a brief report that didn't explain how the sailors died. It said the vessel had been towed back to an unidentified port.

Edited by CJ AEGIS, 03 May 2003 - 01:45 AM.

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#2 Kosh

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Posted 03 May 2003 - 01:42 AM

Very sad.
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Posted 03 May 2003 - 02:41 AM

To give a feeling for just what the Chinese are dealing with, the Ming Type 035 boats are Chinese versions of the old Soviet Romeo class boats.  In turn the Romeo-class boats were based on the German Type XXI boats from 1944.  These boats are completely obsolete in terms of design, although the Chinese were building these as late as 1996.  (http://www.fas.org/m...w/plan/ming.htm)  

Soviet boats and Chinese boats were never known for their safety records and this certainly no exception.  Most likely the Chinese have suffered many such problems in the past that we have not heard about.  It is sad that these sailors had to die because of what probably amounts to the problems of a corrupt system of government and a lack of quality control.
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#4 CJ AEGIS

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Posted 03 May 2003 - 03:39 AM

Uncle Sid, on May 3 2003, 12:31 AM, said:

To give a feeling for just what the Chinese are dealing with, the Ming Type 035 boats are Chinese versions of the old Soviet Romeo class boats.

The Ming is a cleaned up Chinese variant of the Romeo. The diesels and sonar are both French with the pressure hull being a tad more streamlined.

Edited by CJ AEGIS, 03 May 2003 - 03:39 AM.

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Posted 03 May 2003 - 04:52 AM

Hmm, what I got on these still has them using the Herkules and Feniks sonars that the Romeo would have used.  Are the French just carrying out licenced building of the old components or are the sonars totally new (in a relative sense)?
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Posted 03 May 2003 - 05:28 AM

Aggh... damn. Poor guys. I hope this wasn't like KURSK, where people had to wonder for at least a week if there were any survivors. (With China's secrecy, we don't know how long they'd been missing before they were tracked down.) Being fascinated by submarines, I followed that disaster as closely as I could. (I also didn't think, after about 3 days, that anyone could've survived. Too bad I was right.)

If you like, I'll editorialize by remarking that I'm no fan of the PRC, either, but I do respect submariners of whatever nation.
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Posted 03 May 2003 - 06:38 AM

What a terrible loss.

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Posted 03 May 2003 - 06:39 AM

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Posted 03 May 2003 - 08:43 AM

This is a tragic loss, and my thoughts are with the families of the crew.
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Posted 03 May 2003 - 01:25 PM

It is so sad, what ever nation they may be, to lose a crew ...my heart goes out to their families.
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