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Bush Administration NSA Domestic Spying Post-9/11

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#1 Zwolf

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Posted 16 December 2005 - 12:31 PM

Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not after you...

http://www.cnn.com/2...a.ap/index.html

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NEW YORK (AP) -- President Bush authorized the National Security Agency to eavesdrop on Americans and others inside the United States -- without getting search warrants -- following the Sept. 11 attacks, The New York Times reports.

The presidential order, which Bush signed in 2002, has allowed the agency to monitor the international phone calls and international e-mails of hundreds, and perhaps thousands, of people inside the United States, according to a story posted Thursday on the Times' Web site

Kind of a scary thing.

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Posted 16 December 2005 - 02:25 PM

And who wants to bet that his crony's in goverment let him get away with it.

I'm so very glad i'm not american right now.

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Posted 16 December 2005 - 02:28 PM

I am more dismayed than I can express that the Bush administration decided that the war on terror somehow allowed them to ignore the law in the name of hunting down terrorists.
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Posted 16 December 2005 - 02:41 PM

Godeskian, on Dec 16 2005, 07:25 PM, said:

And who wants to bet that his crony's in goverment let him get away with it.

I'm so very glad i'm not american right now.

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Posted 16 December 2005 - 02:46 PM

Talkie Toaster, on Dec 16 2005, 08:41 PM, said:

You think MI5 isn't keeping tabs on you?  :ninja:

Then I assume that whomever is in charge of watching me must have comitted the mother of all gaffes to be landed with that boring an assignment.   :cool:

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Posted 16 December 2005 - 03:14 PM

Why am I not surprised?

And Gode, that's what happens if you and dad keep talking about al-jazeera, that could be counted as supporting terrorism or whatnot ;)
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Posted 16 December 2005 - 05:28 PM

Godeskian, on Dec 16 2005, 07:46 PM, said:

Talkie Toaster, on Dec 16 2005, 08:41 PM, said:

You think MI5 isn't keeping tabs on you?  :ninja:

Then I assume that whomever is in charge of watching me must have comitted the mother of all gaffes to be landed with that boring an assignment.   :cool:

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Indeed. I wonder what poor sod has been landed the assignment of analysing the rubbish I spew out on the net...
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Posted 16 December 2005 - 05:30 PM

Talkie Toaster, on Dec 16 2005, 11:28 PM, said:

Godeskian, on Dec 16 2005, 07:46 PM, said:

Talkie Toaster, on Dec 16 2005, 08:41 PM, said:

You think MI5 isn't keeping tabs on you?  :ninja:

Then I assume that whomever is in charge of watching me must have comitted the mother of all gaffes to be landed with that boring an assignment.   :cool:

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Indeed. I wonder what poor sod has been landed the assignment of analysing the rubbish I spew out on the net...

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Hopefully your schmo and mine know each other. Gives them a common experience to commiserate over :cool:

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Posted 16 December 2005 - 08:15 PM

Just heard on CNN that the government is eavesdropping on "as many as five hundred" people in America at any given time.

:Oo:

And I'd bet that some are anti-war protestors and designated "political enemies." Just guessing, but it wouldn't surprise me.

This administration out-Nixons Nixon in a lot of ways.
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Posted 16 December 2005 - 08:38 PM

Godeskian, on Dec 16 2005, 02:46 PM, said:

Talkie Toaster, on Dec 16 2005, 08:41 PM, said:

You think MI5 isn't keeping tabs on you?  :ninja:

Then I assume that whomever is in charge of watching me must have comitted the mother of all gaffes to be landed with that boring an assignment.   :cool:

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Maybe you got lucky and your spotter looks like Jenny Agutter.  :love:
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Posted 16 December 2005 - 11:38 PM

NBC had a report on a secret Pentagon database which identified a Quaker meeting house as a threat to US troops.  In that Quakers are pacifists, I wouldn't classify them as pro-military, but a threat?!?  :angry:

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Posted 16 December 2005 - 11:41 PM

Will someone please give Bush a b***job so they can start impeachment hearings already?  Since shredding the Constitution doesn't seem to qualify, that is...
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Posted 16 December 2005 - 11:41 PM

Cardie, on Dec 16 2005, 11:38 PM, said:

NBC had a report on a secret Pentagon database which identified a Quaker meeting house as a threat to US troops.  In that Quakers are pacifists, I wouldn't classify them as pro-military, but a threat?!?  :angry:

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Posted 17 December 2005 - 03:59 AM

Zwolf666, on Dec 16 2005, 10:31 AM, said:

Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not after you...

http://www.cnn.com/2...a.ap/index.html

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NEW YORK (AP) -- President Bush authorized the National Security Agency to eavesdrop on Americans and others inside the United States -- without getting search warrants -- following the Sept. 11 attacks, The New York Times reports.

The presidential order, which Bush signed in 2002, has allowed the agency to monitor the international phone calls and international e-mails of hundreds, and perhaps thousands, of people inside the United States, according to a story posted Thursday on the Times' Web site

Kind of a scary thing.

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Jeez, now that is REALLY Orwellian!
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Posted 17 December 2005 - 06:12 AM

Arlen Specter isn't very happy about this. He says the Judiciary Committee will investigate it, pronto.

http://news.yahoo.co..._pr_wh/bush_nsa

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"I want to know precisely what they did," said Specter. "How NSA utilized their technical equipment, whose conversations they overheard, how many conversations they overheard, what they did with the material, what purported justification there was."

Edited by Spectacles, 17 December 2005 - 06:15 AM.

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Posted 17 December 2005 - 10:30 AM

Hey I say if they're going to do this then we the people should be allowed to put a bug in the Oval Office (wouldn't that have been fun during Clinton's time) and at the Pentagon-I bet we'd find out who the leaker was! :devil:

So true that they are outdoing Nixon here.  What an accomplishment! :glare:

The true fact is that the terrorist of 911 would not have been found out through domestic spying. :suspect:

This is just an excuse to listen in and find out who agrees with you and who doesn't. :angry:

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Posted 17 December 2005 - 03:19 PM

The true fact is that the terrorist of 911 would not have been found out through domestic spying.


No, that is not a fact in any way shape or form but an opinion. Considering how long the September 11th highjackers operated in the US and who they were relying on for contacts domestic surviellance would probably have helped find them and it would have definitely been of use but that has little bearing on the movement of the mandate from terrorists organizations and affilaites to antiwar groups and the like.
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Posted 17 December 2005 - 03:58 PM

Domestic surveillance--though not of the Patriot Act variety-- did find some of them.  Unfortunately, the intel got blown off, since "no once could have imagined terrorists would have used airplanes as missiles."

Edited by waterpanther, 17 December 2005 - 03:58 PM.

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Posted 17 December 2005 - 04:05 PM

MuseZack, on Dec 16 2005, 08:41 PM, said:

Will someone please give Bush a b***job so they can start impeachment hearings already?  Since shredding the Constitution doesn't seem to qualify, that is...

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Posted 17 December 2005 - 04:06 PM

Can I ask?

Isn't it illegal to spy on US citizens without a court order?

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