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#41 Nonny

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Posted 06 January 2006 - 11:41 PM

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Posted 06 January 2006 - 11:52 PM

View PostRommies Slave, on Jan 6 2006, 08:37 PM, said:

Okay, I can see the judge’s point, aiming for rehabilitation over punishment- but prison isn't solely a punishment, it also protects society from people who have no respect for the law or other people. We have prisons to separate people like Hulett who pose a serious risk to the safety and well being of the community.

The department's psych councilor that analyzed him said that Hulett had no sympathy and wasn't even sorry!! He knew what he was doing, he meant to do it, he planned to do, he did it repeatedly and he’s glad he did it. He doesn't regret any of the pain and suffering he has caused an innocent child.

It's because of people like Hullett that we have prisons in the first place.

I agree he needs treatment but give it to him while he’s behind four layers of concrete and iron bars away from any other children. The judge is well intentioned but what the hell is two months in jail going to do? He goes in, comes back out and is a free man. What if he doesn’t attend counseling? What if he takes off and goes to find another girl to repeatedly rape? What protection does the community have against this monster?

None. I honestly have zero clue as to why the Corrections Department couldn’t give Hulett treatment in prison where society would be safe. This is so ass backwards it’s insane!
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Posted 07 January 2006 - 12:40 AM

View PostRommies Slave, on Jan 6 2006, 11:37 PM, said:

It's because of people like Hullett that we have prisons in the first place.

No Hullett is the reason the death penalty was created. It is only the good natured and well intentioned parts of our humanity that refuses to accept that somethings need to be put down for the safety of society. That failing to do so violated the social contract of society to it's people.
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Posted 07 January 2006 - 03:04 AM

Apparently we're not the only ones who think the judge is off his rocker:

http://www.burlingto...=73231810585703

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The state Corrections Department is planning a complete review of sex-offender Mark Hulett's case, including whether he should remain ineligible for counseling while in prison and whether the department can hold him longer than his controversial 60-day minimum sentence, Commissioner Rob Hofmann said Thursday.

"I want to review it and see what flexibility we have regarding that time frame, if we have flexibility," Hofmann said. "I'm keenly interested in that."

It was unclear, though, what effect the department's considerations could have on how long Hulett, 34, spends in custody.

"We have to respect the judge's decision," Hofmann said.

And an editorial:

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Asexual deviant who repeatedly abused a child over a four-year period got a slap on the wrist in a Vermont courtroom this week and will be free to walk the streets in as few as 60 days. That is an appalling and unacceptable outcome.

Mark Hulett of Williston admitted to assaulting the girl for years, beginning when she was only 6. Prosecutors wanted Hulett jailed for eight years, although he could have received life in prison. But when the Corrections Department refused to offer treatment to Hulett in jail, Judge Edward Cashman set the jail term at a minimum of 60 days -- with a clear emphasis on the shorter sentence and conditions that included treatment for his deviancy.

There is no logic that justifies releasing this man in a matter of weeks, months or even a few years. This judge, with the aid of the Corrections Department, essentially put the interests of a sex offender before the needs of an abused child.
Hulett broke the law in one of the most horrific manners possible and ought to be punished for that offense. He damaged the life and future of a young girl who endured his abuse for years. He broke state law, as well as any moral code that governs most civilized behavior.

A paltry 60 days in jail doesn't even come close to appropriate punishment for such an awful crime.

His brief incarceration means he will be sharing the streets once again with this girl in as little as two months -- a cruel outcome that extends her victimization. Her recovery and safety must be the priority here, and that now becomes more difficult.

Finally, the message conveyed in this ruling is dangerous.

Essentially the judge has created the impression that the courts do not consider the repeated sexual assault of a child to be worthy of serious consequence. That is a tragic signal to send to Vermont's children and their adult guardians, making it clear that they should not expect to find protection in a courtroom. Why would any child step forward to report abuse now knowing he or she might have to confront that angry abuser on the streets in a matter of months?

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OH RHEA OH OH OH
"I also found a blurb in the same paper from the day he was arrested, which said a second man also assaulted the child with Hurlett's 'permision.' "

http://www.burlingto...theme=WILLISTON

This is the earlier article, which says in the last paragraph:

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Police said they were looking for a second suspect who allegedly sexually abused the child with Hulett’s permission.

It also says that the police were tipped off to this situation TWO YEARS AGO!

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Police and child protection investigators were first tipped indirectly by the victim about the situation two years ago, but there was not enough evidence to make an arrest. This time Mark Hulett, 34, has made a complete confession, police said.

Can you imagine? It was the child herself who tipped off the police, but they couldn't do anything to stop this guy for another two years! That's the saddest thing I've ever heard. :cry:

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Posted 07 January 2006 - 07:27 AM

justice? what justice. that girl got zip. Now i'm not hte most maternal person around, but if I was her parent, I would be standing outside with a big gun, club, bat, or frying pan, come sixty days.

The law didn't protect her at all.
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Posted 07 January 2006 - 02:30 PM

everyone else has pretty much summed up what i would have said, except for one thing.

this is Vermont.  somehow i'm not surprised, when this is the same state that refuses to cooperate with our county in order to prosecute the @#$@#$% deadbeat father of my niece and nephew because they expect "proof" that he IS sending money rather than look at the obvious true proof that he is NOT.

only recently is anything being done because the lying employer's accountant filed his W-2 last year so she's finally being investigated by the IRS. :smirk:

back on the subject:  this is disgusting.  period!

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Posted 07 January 2006 - 06:49 PM

View PostRommies Slave, on Jan 6 2006, 10:37 PM, said:

The department's psych councilor that analyzed him said that Hulett had no sympathy and wasn't even sorry!! He knew what he was doing, he meant to do it, he planned to do, he did it repeatedly and he’s glad he did it. He doesn't regret any of the pain and suffering he has caused an innocent child.


Then why even waste the money and time on tryin' to rehab this fella?  He doesn't care and nothin' in the world'll change his mind.  

He'll re-offend when he gets out.  He's got no sense of conscience at all and, I'd even venture, he's a sociopath who'll graduate upwards to worse.

We post all our notices from the Galveston County Sheriff's Dept regardin' sexual offenders in the area.  I pass by this "rogue's gallery" all the time goin' to and from lunch.  It's amazin' the ages of the perps (often 30+, on avg) and the ages of the victims (less than 10 on avg).  It's enough to turn my stomach on occasions.  The worst had to be a guy who was 30-40 and the vic was a 2 y/o girl.  It's enough to make me believe in castratin' these guys for punishment.

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Posted 07 January 2006 - 07:00 PM

It's enough for me to consider using a psitol and killing something that is as dangerous as a rapid dog. It bothers me a great deal that society is getting so weak willed to do what common sense says needs to be done.
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Posted 08 January 2006 - 02:40 AM

View PostG1223, on Jan 7 2006, 04:00 PM, said:

It's enough for me to consider using a psitol and killing something that is as dangerous as a rapid dog. It bothers me a great deal that society is getting so weak willed to do what common sense says needs to be done.

Its not often I agree with you, but in this case I do. The sucker needs to fry.

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Posted 09 January 2006 - 11:38 AM

Oh, Nonny, we are sooo off-topic. But. I saw a video once of a performance a G&S troupe did. So it may be more "G&S" and less "convention." If time, i will google it for more info. But it was really, really funny.

Which is not only off-topic, but in bad taste to be talking about here.
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Posted 09 January 2006 - 11:38 AM

Oh, Nonny, we are sooo off-topic. But. I saw a video once of a performance a G&S troupe did. So it may be more "G&S" and less "convention." If time, i will google it for more info. But it was really, really funny.

Which is not only off-topic, but in bad taste to be talking about here.
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Posted 09 January 2006 - 11:51 AM

On topic: Don't have time to research now, but my mom said she heard about it on CNN. So at least it's getting some nation-wide attention.

We just have to encourage our kids to tell us everything. Especially "bad" stuff.

I'ev also been to abuse-prevention classes, and they tell everyone to tell children to trust their gut instincts. If they get a weird vibe off a person, trust it. Tell another adult. Even if you don't have "facts" to back it up. Then the adult can monitor more closely.

And if an adult threatens you if you talk, take it as more proof that whatever they did was wrong, and talk anyway. Children have to be convinced that the adult will be disempowered, which given what happened, is hard for them to believe. The threats won't come true.

Who knows what that guy told her. I've heard ex-abusers in these seminars talk about all sorts of horrible threats they made and things they said to keep these kids quiet. And those are the abusers who actually feel remorse and are trying to prevent abuse from happening again. Your mom won't love you if she knows. You brought this on -- you started it. They will take you away from your parents if they know you act like this. No one will believe you. Oh, it was horrible. And how they got parents to trust them...creepy. Horrible. You really almost can't trust anyone.

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Posted 10 January 2006 - 06:05 PM

Not even back from my vacation one day and find a thread that gets my blood boiling.

60 days!? WTF! Can we charge the judge as an accomplice BEFORE the fact when this molestor attacks another child? Afterall when it does happen again it is going to be solely this judges fault...and the molestor's.

I wonder how this judge would feel if it was his daughter that had been raped, repeatedly for 4 years, and another judge gave the rapist 60 days?
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Posted 10 January 2006 - 06:38 PM

Talk about repeat offenders!  :angry:  At least this one is going away for a long, long time.  From the Desert Sun:

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Man gets 2 life terms for rape, stabbing

WALLACE, Idaho (AP) -- A man who raped and stabbed his 12-year-old daughter and left her for dead has been sentenced to two life prison terms without chance of parole after she read an angry statement to him in court.

John Rollins Tuggle pleaded guilty to rape and kidnapping with a deadly weapon, taking responsibility and sparing the victim from the ordeal of a trial, First District Judge Fred Gibler said at Monday's sentencing.

"Other than those two things, its hard to find anything positive to state about Mr. Tuggle," Gibler said.

Tuggle's daughter, who has changed her last name, looked directly at him as she read a letter to him in court, saying she was determined to overcome the loss of her innocence.

"You left me to die and for that you do not deserve life," she said. "I will remove your actions from my mind, as I've already removed you from my heart."

The attack happened last July when Tuggle, 37, was visiting his former wife and children in Athol after completing a nine-year prison term for the rape of his ex-wife's 13-year-old sister, who became pregnant....
And he sat there smoking as she lay bleeding.  :angry:  :angry:  :angry:  :angry:  :angry:

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Posted 10 January 2006 - 06:41 PM

Jesus... *throws up* thats terrible *fails to express rage*
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Posted 10 January 2006 - 06:42 PM

I'm not one to bandy the words 'good' and 'evil' about lightly, but I can't really find another word to describe these guys other than 'evil'

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Posted 10 January 2006 - 07:07 PM

View PostNonny, on Jan 10 2006, 06:38 PM, said:

And he sat there smoking as she lay bleeding.  :angry:  :angry:  :angry:  :angry:  :angry:

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It's cases like that that make me wish the death penalty was a little harsher...Instead of a lethal injection...death by torture. These monsters deserve nothing less.

As for the judge...at the very least he needs to be fired.
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Posted 10 January 2006 - 07:16 PM

what what has the anti-CP lobby got to say?

People like that should be shot, pure and simple.

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Posted 10 January 2006 - 07:20 PM

View PostLORD of the SWORD, on Jan 10 2006, 04:07 PM, said:

View PostNonny, on Jan 10 2006, 06:38 PM, said:


And he sat there smoking as she lay bleeding.  :angry:  :angry:  :angry:  :angry:  :angry:

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It's cases like that that make me wish the death penalty was a little harsher...Instead of a lethal injection...death by torture. These monsters deserve nothing less.

As for the judge...at the very least he needs to be fired.
Sorry for the confusion!  Two different cases!  Yeah, judge in first case noted in thread definitely needs to be fired.  The judge in the case I added above, not so much.  He sentenced a monster who finished a nine year sentence for raping his 13 yr old sister in law to two life terms without possibility of parole for raping, stabbing and leaving to die his own 12 yr old daughter.  Yeah, a monster, but at least he spared his daughter the further trauma of a trial and pled guilty.  No, the second judge is one of the good guys.  

Again, sorry for the confusion.  I considered starting a new thread, but decided to continue in this with fresh evidence that some monsters get their just desserts.  

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Posted 10 January 2006 - 08:18 PM

View PostNonny, on Jan 10 2006, 07:20 PM, said:

Sorry for the confusion!  Two different cases!  Yeah, judge in first case noted in thread definitely needs to be fired.  The judge in the case I added above, not so much.  He sentenced a monster who finished a nine year sentence for raping his 13 yr old sister in law to two life terms without possibility of parole for raping, stabbing and leaving to die his own 12 yr old daughter.  Yeah, a monster, but at least he spared his daughter the further trauma of a trial and pled guilty.  No, the second judge is one of the good guys.  

Again, sorry for the confusion.  I considered starting a new thread, but decided to continue in this with fresh evidence that some monsters get their just desserts.  

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No confusion here. I was referring to the first judge, the one who handed down the 60 day sentence. He needs to be gone ASAP. Don't have a problem with the second judge.
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