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#21 Jazzer

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Posted 26 February 2006 - 02:05 AM

Oh, crap!   :angry:  These Phelps' people are pathetic!  They're completely nuts!  There ought to be laws against allowing protests and demonstrations of any kind at funerals.  But in the meantime, it may become necessary to have some police on hand at funerals to help maintain order, if there's any hint these people might show up.  But how sad for the families to deal with this kind of crap, along with their grief.   :(
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Posted 26 February 2006 - 02:25 AM

It's interesting to note that Phelp's crew is monitored as a Hate group.

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Posted 26 February 2006 - 02:52 AM

the more i read about the Patriot Guard the more i'm impressed by their actions.  They don't carewhere you stand on the war: on the side of the dove or the hawk, their only mission is to show sincere respect for those who gave their lives in the service of their country, and to shield the grieving family from the unwanted intrusions of those who would disrupt the funeral proceedings.

In the end, it's all about respect.

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Posted 26 February 2006 - 04:55 AM

View PostD'Monix, on Feb 25 2006, 11:52 PM, said:

the more i read about the Patriot Guard the more i'm impressed by their actions.  They don't carewhere you stand on the war: on the side of the dove or the hawk, their only mission is to show sincere respect for those who gave their lives in the service of their country, and to shield the grieving family from the unwanted intrusions of those who would disrupt the funeral proceedings.

In the end, it's all about respect.

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The Phelps' people are pathetic and nuts, but they are also a threat, and in a sense, traitors.  This isn't a spit on one soldier, this is a spit on ALL the soldiers.  Sadly, this group has many lawyers to help them find ways to get away with this.  Nevertheless, they should be stopped.

This reminds me of Vietnam.  My dad called my mom just as soon as he got back to the states.  He was calling her from a pay phone, still dressed in Navy uniform when a woman for no reason walked up, slapped and spat on his face.  On the other end, my mom heard her cussing him out.  I can not even begin to explain what this does to a person who had just weeks before witnessed some of his friends get blown up in front of him.  

Yet, these stupid cowards waste no time shouting out blasphemous BS in funerals.  Damn them all to hell.  I'm sorry, but that's just how I feel about it.  Families of fallen soldiers shouldn't need police protection in their own country.  This is so low...
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Posted 26 February 2006 - 05:48 AM

Indeed, whats more is that they've declared any natural disaster or act of terrorism against us to be 'God's Vengeance' on america, or Divine Retribution for some slight against their group.  These guys have spewed bile against the Firemen and Police officers kiled in 9/11, the other people killed there, Katrina, Rita, the Pacific Tsunami, you name it.

Link to Southern Poverty Law Center Hatewatch Site may shed more about these loons.

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been reading the ride reports at the PGR site, what i've read has repeatedly moved me to the brink of tears, some such 'mission rides' have taken place right here in my state of oklahoma, one of which was on the Apache reservation at Apache, OK.  Seems the WBC nuts showed up, but didnt count on it being Indian land, the Tribal Police intercepted the church protestors and escorted them to the county line, and told em to keep on goin til they hit Kansas.  The WBC whined about their rights, but on Indian Trust land it's TRIBAL LAW that rules.

besides, I don't think they'd want to be anywhere near a town full of grieving Apaches, Kiowas, and other tribes and interrupt a funeral for one of their native sons.

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Posted 26 February 2006 - 12:27 PM

View PostSpidey, on Feb 26 2006, 01:55 AM, said:

This reminds me of Vietnam.  My dad called my mom just as soon as he got back to the states.  He was calling her from a pay phone, still dressed in Navy uniform when a woman for no reason walked up, slapped and spat on his face.  On the other end, my mom heard her cussing him out.  I can not even begin to explain what this does to a person who had just weeks before witnessed some of his friends get blown up in front of him.
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Yet, these stupid cowards waste no time shouting out blasphemous BS in funerals.  Damn them all to hell.  I'm sorry, but that's just how I feel about it.  Families of fallen soldiers shouldn't need police protection in their own country.  This is so low...
Amen to that too.  :(  :(  :(  :angry:  :angry:

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Posted 26 February 2006 - 12:53 PM

View PostD'Monix, on Feb 26 2006, 02:48 AM, said:

been reading the ride reports at the PGR site, what i've read has repeatedly moved me to the brink of tears, some such 'mission rides' have taken place right here in my state of oklahoma, one of which was on the Apache reservation at Apache, OK.  Seems the WBC nuts showed up, but didnt count on it being Indian land, the Tribal Police intercepted the church protestors and escorted them to the county line, and told em to keep on goin til they hit Kansas.  The WBC whined about their rights, but on Indian Trust land it's TRIBAL LAW that rules.
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besides, I don't think they'd want to be anywhere near a town full of grieving Apaches, Kiowas, and other tribes and interrupt a funeral for one of their native sons.
Or daughters.  I have experienced the Seminole Color Guard, and I've been included in the dance for veterans, rollator and all, and I am deeply moved by the proud warrior spirit.  No one should have to put up with such intrusion into their grief.  It's good that they don't have to wait for the law to catch up to keep the intruders out.  My heart goes out to those who do.  

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Posted 26 February 2006 - 04:27 PM

I've joined the PGR, and I'm proud of it. :)  I just can't sit around while those protestors are trying to run amok at funerals.  It wasn't a spontaneous decision, I gave it real thought.  This can not be ignored.
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Posted 26 February 2006 - 08:27 PM

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"The scriptures are crystal clear that when God sets out to punish a nation, it is with the sword. An IED is just a broken-up sword," Phelps-Roper said. "Since that is his weapon of choice, our forum of choice has got to be a dead soldier's funeral."
What does it mean then, when something GOOD happens to America? Is God cutting us some slack, or too busy watching an episode of "Desperate Housewives" to get his smite on? :oh:  

Or maybe nothing good ever happens. People who expend great amounts of time and energy lamenting the state of the world, tend to define "GOOD", as something BAD, happening to a political adversary. It's easy to see why the stars of Fred Phelps inbred freakshow are so aggressively negative, but what's everyone else's excuse?

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Posted 26 February 2006 - 09:02 PM

Okay, who's conducting these funerals, and why don't they just escort Phelps and his cohorts off the premises?
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Posted 26 February 2006 - 09:28 PM

View PostSolar Wind, on Feb 26 2006, 06:02 PM, said:

Okay, who's conducting these funerals, and why don't they just escort Phelps and his cohorts off the premises?

These are military funerals.  However, there is no one to escort those jerks.  There are too many of them anyway.  That's why the Patriot Guard Riders are "escorting" these protestors away by keeping them at bay.  A lot of those PGR members travel many miles just to do so.
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Posted 27 February 2006 - 01:18 AM

No family should have to face someone holding a sign saying 'Thank God for Bin Laden/Suicide Bombers/IEDs)

That turns my stomach.

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Posted 27 February 2006 - 01:34 AM

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Okay, who's conducting these funerals, and why don't they just escort Phelps and his cohorts off the premises?

They apply for all the proper permits and so legally they can't be escorted off but some of the states lawmakers are working to change that. No one should ever have to put up with that crap at the funeral of a loved one, soldier or otherwise
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Posted 27 February 2006 - 01:41 AM

^ heck, I wouldn't agree to have protestors at Hitler's funeral.
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Posted 27 February 2006 - 06:14 PM

They're bigoted, narrow minded, ignorant scum.

Desecration of a funeral is sick and twisted.

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Posted 28 February 2006 - 12:54 AM

I honestly hope when Phelps dies his family is able to grieve in peace. Without protestors at his funeral.

I mean it. Even if one thinks they don't deserve it, I still don't wish it on them.

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Posted 28 February 2006 - 03:25 AM

^If Phelps croaked I'd like to see protesters yank his body from the coffin and start shooting a remake of Weekend at Bernie's...but I ain't quite right.  :look:

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Posted 28 February 2006 - 10:07 AM

When Phelps dies, they shouldn't put up a headstone... they should just set up a dancefloor.  Or a urinal.  This guy is a scuuuu-uhhh-uhh-uhhh-UHHHHMMMMM-BAG!   And I'm not even just talking about his protesting of funerals (although that's certainly enough to qualify him)... here, read up on the sumbitch.

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Phelps became addicted to amphetamines and barbiturates, which he often combined with large quantities of alcohol.  One of his sons claims that his first memory in life was that of the drunk, stoned Phelps shooting a dog for defecating on the lawn (see above) [26][27], the incident which led to the majority of Phelps' supporters leaving him and returning to Eastside.

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Phelps continued to take drugs, consume alcohol, and binge eat for six years, and would often go for days or weeks without leaving his bedroom. When Phelps did leave his room, it was to throw temper tantrums, during which he would throw food, break plates, and scream at his children for not eating. When Phelps was then too exhausted to continue his fit, he would take his wife back to their room for sex while the children cleaned up after him. Son Mark recalls:

It established a life habit for me. Even today, the moment I get home, I'm thinking 'Is Daddy mad?' Our walls were stained with food. And my mom used to cry because she couldn't keep good dishes. My father would also bust holes in the walls and doors. If they were on the outside, he'd fix them quickly. On the inside, he'd leave them unrepaired for months.

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During this time the family's only income came from what Phelps called "The Children's Crusade," a money-making scheme disguised as evangelical witnessing and a church fundraiser, which consisted of the Phelps children going door-to-door selling candy. Phelps assigned the children quotas, and those who didn't meet the quotas were beaten with a mattock handle, a farming tool possessing twice the density of a baseball bat. [30] The sales often found the children in dangerous areas of town, including the "bad part of Kansas City," where a teenage Jon Phelps and eight-year-old Rebecca Phelps were assaulted by a transgender woman after Jon Phelps "held forth with the latest 'fag' joke making the rounds at his junior high." The transgender woman pulled a switchblade and chased the children; they ran into an alley, were trapped, and, as sister Margie recalls, "Jonathon Phelps got 'bitch-slapped' by a guy in a dress to teach him a lesson."

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Eventually, candy sales dried up, but Phelps was insistent that money keep coming in from them. In order to avoid beatings, the children began stealing from businesses around town and acting as purse-snatchers. [36] The children were often caught, with eyewitnesses filing affidavits, but the district attorney refused to prosecute even one case for fear of violent retribution from Phelps. [37] Eventually, the theft became so prominent and so severe that the Topeka Police Department began a special investigation into Phelps under the belief that he was running a "Fagin operation."

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In 1968, Phelps tried to commit suicide while high on methamphetamines, attempting to shoot himself in the head with a shotgun; he was so inebriated, however, that he ended up missing his head completely and striking a roll of insulation.

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Phelps then decided that his children should be as fanatical about dieting as he was, and began to deny them food and force them to run ten miles a day; the marathons included all of his children, the youngest of whom were six and eight. If anyone beat Phelps in the race, they were beaten. [43]

At the same time, even though he had gone back to being an attorney, Phelps continued to force the children to sell candy. They would do this from 4:00 p.m. until they had either met their quotas or until it was too late to sell, return home, and then run their ten miles; upon returning home, they were then allowed to do their homework and, if Phelps allowed, eat. They usually went to bed at 1:00 a.m.; Phelps would then awaken them at 5:00 a.m. for a run before school. Phelps' fanatical dedication to running earned him articles in Runner's World magazine, in the November, 1970 issue and again in November, 1988.

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When Valgos arrived for her first sermon, the church bulletin board read "Debbie Valgos: The Whore of Topeka," with Phelps' sermon being nothing more than an hour long attack on Debbie Valgos, accusing her of a variety of perverse sexual acts. This continued on for several weeks, with Phelps apologizing each week to Valgos, only for her to return the next week and suffer increasingly vulgar attacks. These culminated in Phelps assaulting Valgos at a crowded roller rink, resulting in Valgos suffering an epileptic fit. [45]

Eventually Fred Jr. and Valgos ran away together. Their whereabouts were unaccounted for a brief period of days; according to some of Fred Jr.'s siblings, during this time he and Valgos were married in a private ceremony, the details of which have never been explicitly discussed. Sometime later, Fred Phelps ascertained where Fred Jr. was staying and, along with another Westboro congregant, kidnapped him at gunpoint and forced him back to the church, where he was allegedly held hostage for a brief period before running away again and living in a friend's basement. It is unknown whether he or Valgos ever saw one another again. [46]

Valgos turned up some months later as a drug addict "party girl" who hung around military bases, still mourning the loss of Fred. The circumstances of her April 17th, 1972 death remain vague; in the weeks leading up to it, she had attempted suicide four times but been stopped by friends or army officers who discovered her. Allegedly, the night of her death, she took tainted drugs, then sustained internal injuries when an overweight friend of hers attempted to cease Valgos' convulsions by sitting on top of her. Some allege that Fred Phelps arranged for Valgos to be given tainted drugs or otherwise conspired for Valgos to be killed in a way that would appear accidental. The morning following her death, Fred Phelps broke the news to the rest of his family by dancing through the house singing "the whore is dead" to the tune of "Ding Dong the Witch is Dead" from The Wizard of Oz.

And it goes on, but... you get the idea.

If there's a god, I'm amazed he puts up with such total creeps doing things in his name...

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Posted 28 February 2006 - 10:07 AM

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If Phelps croaked I'd like to see protesters yank his body from the coffin and start shooting a remake of Weekend at Bernie's...but I ain't quite right.

:D Neither am I, cause the same thought occured to me.
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Posted 28 February 2006 - 11:15 AM

So much for freedom of speach.




I hate what these people do, but I'm never going to be for legislation against free speach. First it's this group, then someone else says something that people don't like, and we make laws against them, and before you know it, China will have more free speach then we have.




Also, there is no such thing as a "Hate Crime".  Crime is crime, whatever the motovation. Making harsher penalties for crime because one "hates" the other is a bad precedent. Enforce law equally, and you wont need "Hate Laws".
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