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#21 Lord of the Sword

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Posted 24 March 2006 - 01:25 AM

And THIS is suppose to be a LIBERATED Afghanistan???

Call me a cynic but we would've been better of just nuking the place after 9-11. At that time we would've been justified, and we wouldn't have had to send our soldiers over there to die....just so they can kill an INNOCENT man, all because he wants to switch religions.

And they say Islam is a peaceful religion....BS it is!
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Posted 24 March 2006 - 04:23 AM

this guy has an outstanding chance of winning this years darwin awards.

perhaps if we let the muslim fundamentalists and the christian fundamentalists slap each other around for long enough then eventually there won't be any of them left at all and the rest of us can get on with  being normal?
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Posted 24 March 2006 - 04:38 AM

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Every religion has it's "bad" sides.
Uh....I keep forgetting...what's Islam's "good" side again? :eh:

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Posted 24 March 2006 - 06:00 AM

I just can't get past the fact that this is supposed to be the new, friendlier democtratic Afghanistan that we were supposed to create after we booted out the Taliban.

The place doesn't seem to have improved much.

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Posted 24 March 2006 - 06:20 AM

And don't forget the "honor killings," which are also on the rise in Iraq. If a woman appears to be less than chaste, her family is "dishonored" by her and therefore kills her.

Here's a State Department report on human rights abuses in Afghanistan:

http://www.state.gov.../2005/61704.htm

There are moderate muslims who don't condone these practices. Unfortunately, it seems that radical Islam is ascendant.
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Posted 24 March 2006 - 07:24 AM

View PostLORD of the SWORD, on Mar 24 2006, 06:25 AM, said:

And THIS is suppose to be a LIBERATED Afghanistan???

Call me a cynic but we would've been better of just nuking the place after 9-11. At that time we would've been justified, and we wouldn't have had to send our soldiers over there to die....just so they can kill an INNOCENT man, all because he wants to switch religions.

And they say Islam is a peaceful religion....BS it is!


Considering Afghanistan is a country and may be harboring terrorists but is not of itself the cause of September 11, that would be an act of war if not genocide.

Al-Quida perpertrated September 11.

They are an organisation. An analogy would be the IRA in Ireland. Would you expect the UK to have nuked Ireland for their ations in the 80's?

You're targetting the wrong people there.
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Posted 24 March 2006 - 09:20 AM

And now the big question.

If you give a nation the power to create it's government of choice, what happens when they pick a government you don't like?

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Posted 24 March 2006 - 09:49 AM

View PostenTranced, on Mar 24 2006, 09:20 AM, said:

And now the big question.

If you give a nation the power to create it's government of choice, what happens when they pick a government you don't like?

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Well, if you're a member of the Bush Administration, you continue to talk about "freedom" and "democracy" and how we're succeeding at spreading those concepts through Afghanistan and Iraq. You hold up your purple thumb and smile. And you attack the media for reporting any facts that counter your claims.
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Posted 24 March 2006 - 09:57 AM

View PostChaddee, on Mar 24 2006, 07:24 AM, said:


View PostLORD of the SWORD, on Mar 24 2006, 06:25 AM, said:

Call me a cynic but we would've been better of just nuking the place after 9-11.


Considering Afghanistan is a country and may be harboring terrorists but is not of itself the cause of September 11, that would be an act of war if not genocide.

Al-Quida perpertrated September 11.

They are an organisation. An analogy would be the IRA in Ireland. Would you expect the UK to have nuked Ireland for their ations in the 80's?

You're targetting the wrong people there.


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That said, I vehemently disagree with your assertion that Afghanistan
"is not of itself the cause of September 11."  (Not to mention, your IRA analogy is hopelessly wrong-headed.)  

The truth is that the Taliban--and therefore, Afghanistan--were a wholly owned subsidiary of Al Qaeda.  Smart money says Mullah Omar is at his boss's side to this day.  So, yes, invading Afghanistan in response to 9/11 was entirely justified.  I only wish we had done so on a much more massive scale -- in which case, Bin Laden would most likely be dead, his organization decapitated, and the Taliban wiped out.  

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Posted 24 March 2006 - 09:59 AM

View PostenTranced, on Mar 24 2006, 04:20 PM, said:

And now the big question.

If you give a nation the power to create it's government of choice, what happens when they pick a government you don't like?

Then you do whatever you can to destabilise the goverment. Much like western nations are doing in Palestine where Hamas was democratically elected.

Bush keeps saying he wants democracy in the middle east, but only if it's the right kind of democracy y'hear.

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Posted 24 March 2006 - 10:14 AM

View Post_ph, on Mar 24 2006, 02:57 PM, said:

Well, first of all, what else would you expect from LoTS?   His "solution" to most foreign policy crises seems to involve the use of nuclear weapons.  

That said, I vehemently disagree with your assertion that Afghanistan
"is not of itself the cause of September 11."  (Not to mention, your IRA analogy is hopelessly wrong-headed.)  

The truth is that the Taliban--and therefore, Afghanistan--were a wholly owned subsidiary of Al Qaeda.  Smart money says Mullah Omar is at his boss's side to this day.  So, yes, invading Afghanistan in response to 9/11 was entirely justified.  I only wish we had done so on a much more massive scale -- in which case, Bin Laden would most likely be dead, his organization decapitated, and the Taliban wiped out.  


I am not saying anything about LoTS or his opinions - he has the right to them, even if I disagre with them.

You are in your full right to disagree, but my analogy is not wrong, nor am I wrong-headed - an offensive term in an of itself.

Your truth. Not my truth. Your truth smells liek propaganda to me. BTW, need I mention Sein Feinn, the political arm of the IRA which is in government? Totally wrong? They are the politics for a militant organisation, how is this not similar to Al-Quada and Afghanistan?

smart money entails not knowning for sure - so its supposition. Supposition is not fact.

No, invading a country is not justified on basis of an organisation. Again, IRA which is supported by the US for some obscene and arcane reason, is a terrorist organisation whic his in government too. I don't see the difference.

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Posted 24 March 2006 - 10:24 AM

Technically, the IRA wasn't supported by the goverment directly, but despite pleas from the British Goverment, the US never froze any funds that were demonstrably being funelled to the IRA.

It's a slight but distinct difference (IMO of course)

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Posted 24 March 2006 - 10:33 AM

View PostGodeskian, on Mar 24 2006, 02:59 PM, said:

View PostenTranced, on Mar 24 2006, 04:20 PM, said:

And now the big question.

If you give a nation the power to create it's government of choice, what happens when they pick a government you don't like?

Then you do whatever you can to destabilise the goverment. Much like western nations are doing in Palestine where Hamas was democratically elected.

Bush keeps saying he wants democracy in the middle east, but only if it's the right kind of democracy y'hear.

Sadly I think you and Spectacles are correct as far as Bush is concerned. But what I'm wondering is what do the rest of us think?

While I find this whole thing offensive and deplorable the fact of the matter is i'm not a citizen of Afghanistan, nor do i want to be!

Yes, i find it offensive that my country fought to free these people from this very thing and they go ahead and do it to themselves again!

But, at what point do we say this is another culture and another nation and say, it's time to leave?

Sanction them? Yes. By all means they should be locked out of the Civilization club and relations with them can not be normalized by any means until they correct themselves.

But do we have to stay there until the end of time to forever try to make them something they are not and never will be.....us?

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Posted 24 March 2006 - 11:20 AM

View PostChaddee, on Mar 24 2006, 07:24 AM, said:

Considering Afghanistan is a country and may be harboring terrorists but is not of itself the cause of September 11, that would be an act of war if not genocide.

Al-Quida perpertrated September 11.

They are an organisation. An analogy would be the IRA in Ireland. Would you expect the UK to have nuked Ireland for their ations in the 80's?

You're targetting the wrong people there.

Ah but Al-Queda CONTROLLED afghanistan. So, in effect, they were ruling the country...which would've justified the use of nukes. Especially considering that our government kept calling the WTC "ground zero" hinting that they considered what happened to be the result of a WMD. So they would've been justified to respond in kind.

As for you IRA analogy...apples and oranges. The IRA doesn't control Ireland the way that the terrorists control Afghanistan.
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Posted 24 March 2006 - 11:21 AM

View Post_ph, on Mar 24 2006, 09:57 AM, said:

Well, first of all, what else would you expect from LoTS?   His "solution" to most foreign policy crises seems to involve the use of nuclear weapons.  

LMAO.

Certainly beats your choice of options....lining them all up and singing kumba ya  ;)
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Posted 24 March 2006 - 11:36 AM

_ph you have been rather rude in this thread, and are getting very personal, when there is NO reason to be.

And those you targeted responded somewhat in kind. Not necessarily right but understandable.

None of this has reached warning level and this post to to make sure every one understands that any more of this Will Not be tolerated.

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Posted 24 March 2006 - 01:09 PM

View PostZaugur Anasazi, on Mar 23 2006, 02:42 PM, said:

View PostGodeskian, on Mar 23 2006, 06:23 AM, said:

Ah, I do so love that peaceful religion we call Islam.
Every religion has it's "bad" sides.Do we forgot "peacefull" crusaders?Or the Jesuits?Or the Zionists(Jews)?

Or the Inquisition, where several million women were mudered?  We've probably killed far more people in the name of Christianity than they have.

People sometimes do really stupid things in the name of religion. Given the history of our own religion, I don't see how we can point the finger at the Muslims - at least, the normal Muslims - the terrorists are another story.
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Posted 24 March 2006 - 03:47 PM

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Especially considering that our government kept calling the WTC "ground zero" hinting that they considered what happened to be the result of a WMD. So they would've been justified to respond in kind.
Actually the term "ground zero" is the official bureaucratease for the site of any diaster, be it a plane or train crash, a tornado site or a massive terrorist attack. The term can include the use of nuclear weapons but it has no specific connection to them in the official technical sense it was used as before it became a term in the wider culture with a different meaning. It wasn't a term that was just thought up for that day.
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Posted 24 March 2006 - 04:26 PM

View PostLORD of the SWORD, on Mar 24 2006, 11:21 AM, said:


View Post_ph, on Mar 24 2006, 09:57 AM, said:

Well, first of all, what else would you expect from LoTS?   His "solution" to most foreign policy crises seems to involve the use of nuclear weapons.  

LMAO.

Certainly beats your choice of options....lining them all up and singing kumba ya  ;)


You must be confusing me with someone else.  I'm the one who wrote:

_ph said:

So, yes, invading Afghanistan in response to 9/11 was entirely justified. I only wish we had done so on a much more massive scale

That said, mushroom clouds were not what I had in mind.  Nukes solve nothing.  Their only use is to deter other nuclear armed countries from launching a first-strike against us.

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Posted 24 March 2006 - 04:28 PM

View Postscherzo, on Mar 24 2006, 09:38 AM, said:

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Uh....I keep forgetting...what's Islam's "good" side again? :eh:

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