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Valerie Plame Bush implicated CIA leak 2006

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#1 Nonny

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Posted 06 April 2006 - 11:05 AM

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#2 Zwolf

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Posted 06 April 2006 - 11:51 AM

Here's CNN

Here's Yahoo.

Here's my total lack of surprise. :eh:

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Posted 06 April 2006 - 11:58 AM

Didn't he say that he would fire anyone in his administration who was responsible for leaking the identity of a CIA officer if the leak broke the law?
Does that mean he has to fire himself now?
Or does it mean he gets to change the laws to suit his version of the constitution yet again?

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Posted 06 April 2006 - 12:22 PM

I'm now taking bets on the fact that the US goverment will give him ANOTHER free pass.

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#5 veganmom

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Posted 06 April 2006 - 12:32 PM

View PostTimon, on Apr 6 2006, 04:58 PM, said:

Didn't he say that he would fire anyone in his administration who was responsible for leaking the identity of a CIA officer if the leak broke the law?

YES, and I wish more people would remember that.
Maybe Jon Stewart can do something where they report the allegation, then play the videotape where he said he'd fire anyone....

My perception has gone from "total moron" to "lying bastard."
Well, I can't in good conscience give up the "moron" thing, though...

Betcha a lot of people still think he's God's gift to the American people. THAT'S what's really scary.

#6 veganmom

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Posted 06 April 2006 - 12:34 PM

Z, couldn't get the Yahoo link to work.....

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Posted 06 April 2006 - 12:49 PM

I'm not about to take that bet, Gode... the corruption around him is imbedded so deep that nobody'll make him accountable for anything.  He's so teflon that he might as well be President Gotti.  The guy could probably stand on the capitol steps shaking a baby in his mouth and peeing on a Bible and they'd still find some way to make excuses for it.  "Maybe that baby needed shakin'!"  :p

Yahoo pages have less shelf-life than doughnuts... let's see if this new link will work:   http://news.yahoo.co..._administration

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#8 Godeskian

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Posted 06 April 2006 - 12:59 PM

and here's the Beeb's take on it

http://news.bbc.co.u...cas/4885100.stm

and Zwolff, this is most of the reason why I have such a low opinion of America. Forget the war on terror or the invasion of Iraq and all that jazz, that's media for you, and frankly there's a lot more involved than just Bush

But everytime the US goverment gives it's head of state a free pass to lie, cheat and steal his way around, I lose more and more respect, not just for Bush, but for the entire goverment. Because the goverment is letting itself get dragged through the mud along with the president.

Edited by Godeskian, 06 April 2006 - 01:00 PM.

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#9 Lord of the Sword

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Posted 06 April 2006 - 01:12 PM

View PostGodeskian, on Apr 6 2006, 01:59 PM, said:

But everytime the US goverment gives it's head of state a free pass to lie, cheat and steal his way around, I lose more and more respect, not just for Bush, but for the entire goverment. Because the goverment is letting itself get dragged through the mud along with the president.

That's because Americans, I'm sorry to say, for the most part aren't really interested. As long as they have their MTV's, computers, video games, ect...they're content. In their minds it's "So what..." it's nothing but entertainment for them.

The fact that Bush NEEDS to be impeached, and in jail for this is besides the point. Everybody KNOWS that's NOT going to happen.

Personally I think Vir's speech to Mordin is appropriate here...But that definately won't happen.
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#10 Godeskian

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Posted 06 April 2006 - 01:15 PM

You mean the one about Morden's head being put on a pike as a warning to the next 10 generations that some favors come with too high a price? :angel:

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#11 Lord of the Sword

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Posted 06 April 2006 - 01:19 PM

View PostGodeskian, on Apr 6 2006, 02:15 PM, said:

You mean the one about Morden's head being put on a pike as a warning to the next 10 generations that some favors come with too high a price? :angel:

That would be the line, yes. But couldn't come right out and say it...cause that could be considered "threatening the President". Although, saying he should be impeached and in jail could also be considered threatening him...but he should be impeached and jailed if he authorized the leak.
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#12 Zwolf

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Posted 06 April 2006 - 01:30 PM

I understand, Gode.  I still love the heck out of America, but I do get a little disappointed in the state we've let ourselves fall into.  People now cheerlead the exact same things that our founders put their lives on the line to overthrow.

I think LOTS nailed it - we do have way too many distractions and pacifiers, and people just don't really care what's happening because they figure it'll all just take care of itself.   It's more fun to mess around with their IPOD or X-Box or whatever else and let it all go by.  Like one of the game systems slogans reads: "Live in your world, play in ours."  Fact is, a lot of people aren't just playing in theirs, they're living in theirs.  Stuff that's going on in the real world just can't compete...

And a lot of the ones who are paying attention have such a "sports fan" approach to politics that they'll excuse anything as long as it's a guy on their team that's doing it.  

It's still a great country, but it's prone to naps.   :unsure:

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#13 Lin731

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Posted 06 April 2006 - 01:46 PM

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Didn't he say that he would fire anyone in his administration who was responsible for leaking the identity of a CIA officer if the leak broke the law?
Does that mean he has to fire himself now?
Or does it mean he gets to change the laws to suit his version of the constitution yet again?

One can only hope but I ain't holding my breath. They have control of all 3 branches of government, how likely do YOU think they'll be to act on any damning info?
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#14 Cait

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Posted 06 April 2006 - 01:54 PM

View PostZwolf666, on Apr 6 2006, 11:30 AM, said:

People now cheerlead the exact same things that our founders put their lives on the line to overthrow.




*sigh* What's worse, few see that they have abandoned every single principle the Constitution is based on, and literally want to silence anyone who reminds them of the fact.

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Posted 06 April 2006 - 01:55 PM

View PostZwolf666, on Apr 6 2006, 02:30 PM, said:

I think LOTS nailed it - we do have way too many distractions and pacifiers, and people just don't really care what's happening because they figure it'll all just take care of itself.   It's more fun to mess around with their IPOD or X-Box or whatever else and let it all go by.  Like one of the game systems slogans reads: "Live in your world, play in ours."  Fact is, a lot of people aren't just playing in theirs, they're living in theirs.  Stuff that's going on in the real world just can't compete...

And a lot of the ones who are paying attention have such a "sports fan" approach to politics that they'll excuse anything as long as it's a guy on their team that's doing it.  

It's still a great country, but it's prone to naps.   :unsure:

Cheers,

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And what's even more alarming is the fact that the government KNOWS this. They KNOW as long as the people have their pacifiers they can do pretty much anything, and not have to worry too much.

And the people, for the most part, are in the mindset of: "Not my problem, someone else will deal with it."

MSNBC did a special report that proved this. They had a guy pretend to be abducting a child on the street with people around. The guy would come up, grab the kid roughly by the arm, and proceed to lead her out of the area. The whole time the kid is screaming: "help me. You're not my daddy."

People on the street saw this and did NOTHING! Most of them didn't even bother to use their cell phones to call 911. After several tries two, or 3 guys, did interfere. But if it had been real that kid would've been abducted and long gone...while everyone else just watched.

Made me sick.

THIS is the mindset of most Americans right now. And as long as it is, nothing will ever change.
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#16 Kosh

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Posted 06 April 2006 - 02:11 PM

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Posted 06 April 2006 - 02:29 PM

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Didn't he say that he would fire anyone in his administration who was responsible for leaking the identity of a CIA officer if the leak broke the law

Okay I'm going to bring up a technicality that most of you aren't going to like hearing -

He did not necessarily break the law - the specific you all are thinking of is meant to cover / to protect acting agents, who are undercover in other countries.  Plame had long since been taken off of that type of assignment and was merely working 'in country' and thus did not fall under that guideline as I understand it.
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Posted 06 April 2006 - 03:04 PM

Here's a bit more on this from another source..   National Journal

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I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby testified to a federal grand jury that he had received "approval from the President through the Vice President" to divulge portions of a National Intelligence Estimate regarding Saddam Hussein's purported efforts to develop nuclear weapons, according to the court papers. Libby was said to have testified that such presidential authorization to disclose classified information was "unique in his recollection," the court papers further said.  

Libby also testified that an administration lawyer told him that Bush, by authorizing the disclosure of classified information, had in effect declassified the information. Legal experts disagree on whether the president has the authority to declassify information on his own.

The White House had no immediate reaction to the court filing.

Edited by Cait, 06 April 2006 - 03:04 PM.

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Posted 06 April 2006 - 03:07 PM

View PostShalamar, on Apr 6 2006, 12:29 PM, said:

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Didn't he say that he would fire anyone in his administration who was responsible for leaking the identity of a CIA officer if the leak broke the law

Okay I'm going to bring up a technicality that most of you aren't going to like hearing -

He did not necessarily break the law - the specific you all are thinking of is meant to cover / to protect acting agents, who are undercover in other countries.  Plame had long since been taken off of that type of assignment and was merely working 'in country' and thus did not fall under that guideline as I understand it.

You were informed incorrectly. She was considered an active agent at the time they leaked her name.

From wikipedia:

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Plame is known to have served in a classified position as a CIA officer. At his October 28, 2005, press conference, Special Counsel Fitzgerald noted:


Valerie Wilson was a CIA officer. In July 2003, the fact that Valerie Wilson was a CIA officer was classified. Not only was it classified, but it was not widely known outside the intelligence community. Valerie Wilson's friends, neighbors, college classmates had no idea she had another life. The fact that she was a CIA officer was not well-known, for her protection or for the benefit of all us. It's important that a CIA officer's identity be protected, that it be protected not just for the officer, but for the nation's security. Valerie Wilson's cover was blown in July 2003. The first sign of that cover being blown was when Mr. Novak published a column on July 14th, 2003.

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#20 Lord of the Sword

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Posted 06 April 2006 - 05:39 PM

OMFG! Now the news is saying that Bush didn't leak classified info....BECAUSE, if he DID leak it then he declassified it, so no crime was committed....OMFG!

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