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Posted 04 June 2006 - 11:42 AM

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#24 Lord of the Sword

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Posted 04 June 2006 - 12:25 PM

View PostCJ AEGIS, on Jun 4 2006, 11:21 AM, said:

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Oh I do believe that the death penalty should be an option for child molestation, like this case. But there are different types...I don't think the death penalty should be an option for a 17 year old having sex with a 15 year old. But a 30+ year old having sex with a 15 year old...most definately the death penalty should be an option.


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Fair enough, and I didn't mean to imply any sort of vigilantism should be conducted.

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Posted 04 June 2006 - 09:41 PM

View PostG1223, on May 31 2006, 04:43 PM, said:

Maybe they should just drop him on the streets and have all the cops go get coffee.  This is why the state needs to understand that people are going to get revenge if the state refuses to give the victim justice.

Don't blame the cops, man.  After all the trouble they go to to pick these guys up, they're probably as pissed as we are that they get reduced sentences.
But, like you, I don't really mind vigilante justice so much.  Sometimes, it even gives me warm fuzzies, like that dad in Florida who punched out a teacher that sexually harrassed his daughter.  Mmmm, good justice.
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Posted 04 June 2006 - 10:37 PM

I am not blaming the cops. I am blamming the judge for wanting to feel sorry for a child molester rather than the child or children who are the victim.

I am saying that a PA system should sound saying a Child molster is going to be released at 5 pm out the south door of the jail. As well newstory in paper and local news broadcast. Then at 4:45 the cops who would be in that area go on coffee break and come back say at 5:15.

I am one of those that think when the system refuses to do the thing it's job that it must accept the people will get it's own justice.
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#27 Lord of the Sword

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View PostG1223, on Jun 4 2006, 11:37 PM, said:

I am not blaming the cops. I am blamming the judge for wanting to feel sorry for a child molester rather than the child or children who are the victim.

I am saying that a PA system should sound saying a Child molster is going to be released at 5 pm out the south door of the jail. As well newstory in paper and local news broadcast. Then at 4:45 the cops who would be in that area go on coffee break and come back say at 5:15.

I am one of those that think when the system refuses to do the thing it's job that it must accept the people will get it's own justice.

In the case of convicted child molesters...we already have something along those lines in place...It's called having to register as a sex offender. Meaning that anyone in the community can look up and find out exactly where those offenders are living...though it's purpose is to make sure that an offender isn't living next door...not to hunt them down.

As for those not already convicted...Say what you described happened, and it was later learned that the person was innocent...that the child lied because he, or she, was angry at that person...then what?

Don't get me wrong. I'm all for killing child molesters...the legal way. With the death penalty.

But then sometimes you get Judges like these idiots...who seems to want to allow molesters access to victimize children again. Personally, I think those Judges should be charged as accomplices on that molester's next molestation case.

Especially the Judge that said the child molester shouldn't go to prison because he was too short!

Since when did height become a factor? Where is that slippery slope going to end? If a person is too heavy, too skinny, they don't go to jail? WTF is up with that concept?
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Posted 05 June 2006 - 08:44 AM

I think its sad that they had to measure his crime relative to others committed in order to sentance him. So if he killed someone, and the max prison time was, say, 40 years but he didnt butcher them, torture them and throw them in acid, his sentance would be reduced? Seems like the logic they are employing.

What he did was foul and inexcusable. IMO, he should be shot. And those who commit worse crimes? We have a delightful range of execution methods at our disposal. I'm all for castrating, hanging, drawing and quartering rapist-murderers. But alas, we are too humane for such action. Lets just make sure they all rot in jail.
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View PostSchmokie_Dragon, on Jun 5 2006, 09:44 AM, said:

I think its sad that they had to measure his crime relative to others committed in order to sentance him. So if he killed someone, and the max prison time was, say, 40 years but he didnt butcher them, torture them and throw them in acid, his sentance would be reduced? Seems like the logic they are employing.

That is the logic these judges are using. Why they are using this a$$backwards thinking is beyond me. Is there something about a Judges robes that cut off oxygen to their brains, or something?

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What he did was foul and inexcusable. IMO, he should be shot. And those who commit worse crimes? We have a delightful range of execution methods at our disposal. I'm all for castrating, hanging, drawing and quartering rapist-murderers. But alas, we are too humane for such action. Lets just make sure they all rot in jail.

I would love to see the death penalty as an option for child molesters. But I seriously doubt it'll ever happen. Judges will be against it. We've already had a couple Judges give convicted, repeat child molesters 60 days....Hell I think one even went so far as to make that 60 days probation instead of jail. So having these Judges impose the death penalty isn't going to happen.

the facts of the matter are that some judges don't care about children who are the victim of molesters. They'd rather protect the molester then the children. Sort of like the way the Church protected it's molesting priests...instead of looking after the children who were victims. Perhaps that's where the Judges are taking their decisions from???
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Posted 05 June 2006 - 03:14 PM

Here's one Child Molestor that tried to kidnap a child out of a Wal-mart...

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Police say Richard Decca was arrested Saturday after he led the girl out of the store to a car in the parking lot while her mother, brother and sister were shopping in the next aisle.

After hearing an alert from store security, shoppers Eric Caouette and Bruce Smith spotted a girl in the parking lot who fit the missing girl's description. She was with an older man.

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Posted 05 June 2006 - 03:36 PM

View PostNatolii, on Jun 5 2006, 04:14 PM, said:

Here's one Child Molestor that tried to kidnap a child out of a Wal-mart...

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Police say Richard Decca was arrested Saturday after he led the girl out of the store to a car in the parking lot while her mother, brother and sister were shopping in the next aisle.

Ok, that is strictly the mother's fault. The mother should've known EXACTLY where her daughter was at all times.
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Posted 05 June 2006 - 04:08 PM

View PostLORD of the SWORD, on Jun 5 2006, 08:36 PM, said:

View PostNatolii, on Jun 5 2006, 04:14 PM, said:

Here's one Child Molestor that tried to kidnap a child out of a Wal-mart...

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Police say Richard Decca was arrested Saturday after he led the girl out of the store to a car in the parking lot while her mother, brother and sister were shopping in the next aisle.

Ok, that is strictly the mother's fault. The mother should've known EXACTLY where her daughter was at all times.

Speaking as a mother....you do your best to keep up with your kids in a retail situation.  But it is not as easy as it seems.  Kids move fast and they are not always listening to mama as they should.

The mother has some blame here...and don't think, LotS, that she isn't beating herself up over this.  

But  nobody made this perv try to snatch a kid.  We all try to teach our children not to fall for the lures that child molesters use but as shown by tv reports, no matter how much we try to teach our kids not to do some things, like ....they still do anyway. No one thinks it will happen to them.  Until it does. And it happens very quickly.  

As for me....I do keep mine with me or a family member at all times.  But  I seldom take them to a store together...unless I have a second adult (usually my mother) to help keep'em entertained.  An extra set of eyes never hurts.  

I don't leave my kids alone anywhere in the store or let them out of sight ... but not every parent does things the same way or is such a control freak like me when it comes to those situations.  

Remember our awareness---or should I say my awareness--- of child abductions started with Adam Walsh, son of John Walsh of America's Most Wanted fame.  Adam was snatched or lured from the toy section of a Kmart back in the late 70's or early 80's.  But as a child myself at that time it made a major and lasting impression on me.  Thus why I am so careful in the store with my children.

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Posted 05 June 2006 - 04:22 PM

I have to agree with Trikay here LotS - I'm not a parent but I am an aunt. One brothers kids are the best behaved I've ever been around - and thats not just 'family' speaking - for I also have to admit that my other brother's kids are walking nightmares.

But the 'behaved' side...I have  turned around in my mom's oversized kitchen to pick up a glass of water - not fill it, but a moderately slow turn to pick up an already full glass, and turn back - elapsed time - perhaps three seconds...and they can be gone, and silently enough that I never heard them move.

Now imagine the simple act of turning away long enough to pick up a can of some thing and turning back - lets say ten seconds, or even half a minute...and they are gone - and in a noisy store like Walmart - there's no way you're going to hear them.

You can't keep your eyes upon them every single moment - no shopping would get done and the unintentional cart vs cart accidents would be countless.

Yes her family should have kept a better eyes on her- it wasn't her mother alone. My brother's family works on the buddy system- If you leave mom's/dad's side you all go together and hold hands!
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Posted 05 June 2006 - 04:30 PM

View Posttrikay, on Jun 5 2006, 05:08 PM, said:

But  nobody made this perv try to snatch a kid.

True. I didn't mean to imply that he wasn't to blame also. I just remember being in the store with my mother when I was a child...I swear that woman had eyes in the back of her head. She seemed to know exactly where I was, and what I was doing.

But, of course I was young then, so I could be mistaken about her knowing exactly where I was at all times. It certainly seemed like it though.

And you're right, the mother probably is kicking herself for this...and I seriously doubt that child will ever be out of mom's sight again, while in the store.
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Posted 05 June 2006 - 04:32 PM

View PostShalamar, on Jun 5 2006, 05:22 PM, said:

Now imagine the simple act of turning away long enough to pick up a can of some thing and turning back - lets say ten seconds, or even half a minute...and they are gone - and in a noisy store like Walmart - there's no way you're going to hear them.

Oh I hear what you're saying. But when I was growing up it was impressed upon me that if you are going to leave the group, or the parent, you tell them where you're going. If you left and didn't inform where you were going...there was hell to pay.

Perhaps that's what happened here? Perhaps the girl told her mom she would be on the other isle...but it came across as the child just leaving.
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Posted 05 June 2006 - 04:38 PM

LOL LotS - thats the way it was for me and my brothers too!

But I can make the obvservation that most parent today don't seem to know how to parent, or don't seem to care..

Please no one here think that I am condeming all parents - I know may who are absolutely fabulous parents, and I see how hard they work to be great parents...

But I also see so many more who have no clue, and no willingness to take the time and effort to be a parent.

The things I see kids getting away with and all the rampant luxuries they seem to demand- and get given aa a 'right', not a priviledge..
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Posted 05 June 2006 - 04:41 PM

It's not that easy when you are balancing 3 children. Plus there are so many shinies that a child sometimes does not realize what they are doing.

I rarely let my one child out of my sight, but even she is a handful.
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Posted 05 June 2006 - 05:22 PM

What that article doesn't make clear is that he had just posted bond two days before in the other case and that alleged act was against a one year old child. I can't believe he still has the opportunity to make bail again.

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Posted 05 June 2006 - 06:02 PM

Personally I am not sure how my mother ever gave me the impression growing up that she had 'eyes in the back of her head'....  :unsure:  I know that I don't ....

You know as a parent you can do every thing right....or as close to right as humanly possible and bad stuff can still happen.

And I have to agree with Shal about parenting and some people's lack of the basic skills.  I live in a neighborhood where the parents just turn the kids loose and don't seem to care where they are or what they are doing.

One little boy, about 9 yrs old, showed up at my house to play and I asked when he had to check in at home. He said 'oh, about dark'. :eek4:   This was at 9am!!  That leaves a whole lot of time for something bad to happen to him.

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Posted 05 June 2006 - 06:07 PM

View PostShalamar, on Jun 5 2006, 05:38 PM, said:

LOL LotS - thats the way it was for me and my brothers too!

But I can make the obvservation that most parent today don't seem to know how to parent, or don't seem to care..

The things I see kids getting away with and all the rampant luxuries they seem to demand- and get given aa a 'right', not a priviledge..

Tell me about it.
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