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#41 NeuralClone

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Posted 09 June 2006 - 11:01 PM

View PostG1223, on Jun 9 2006, 11:49 PM, said:

Actually I gathered she undid the Dalek's work.
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Posted 09 June 2006 - 11:08 PM

I saw this episode a few months ago thanks to a person I know (but I don't want to get him or her in trouble, so I'll stop there about this).

I didn't get why the phrase Bad Wolf, but, a predestination paradox certainly would explain it's lack of start.

I must say, though - Rose in sync with the Tardis... I kept thinking, "That's how to do the Phoenix Force."  :cool:
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Posted 09 June 2006 - 11:40 PM

View PostChristopher, on Jun 9 2006, 09:45 PM, said:

A couple of key things.  One is that regeneration isn't all-powerful or infallible.  A Time Lord can regenerate from near-death, but not from absolutely anything.  Something severe enough to cause instant death would probably be unsurvivable.  A Time Lord probably couldn't regenerate from getting his head blown off, say.  Also, it's been shown that regeneration isn't always a sure bet -- a Time Lord is fragile after it happens, and can be in danger of having the regeneration fail, perhaps terminally, if it doesn't go quite right.

(Also, if we're talking about a planet being destroyed, why are you assuming any Time Lords would be able to survive such a cataclysm intact?  They'd probably all be completely vaporized.)

Also there's the simple fact that Time Lords only get a dozen regenerations.  Even if that "die repeatedly in vacuum" scenario could happen, they'd have to get picked up pretty quickly before they ran out of lives.
Good point, Timelords aren't like the Immortals from Highlander, though they thmselves can be snuffed out by a beheading but that's neither here nor there.

In their individual lives or incarnations Timelords though they are more resileint and resistant to certain factors that could kill a mere human, can still be killed by anything that affects organic life.

Ie Jon Pertwee dying from radiation in Planet of the Spiders, Tom Baker dying from impacting the ground after falling from the Pharos radio telescope in Logopolis, Peter Davison dying from spetrox poisoning in The Caves of Androzani and Sylvester McCoy peing pumped full of lead in the tv movie etc.

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Posted 10 June 2006 - 12:14 AM

View PostSmitty, on Jun 9 2006, 10:22 PM, said:

Heh Drax lives about 20 miles from me!

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Posted 10 June 2006 - 01:04 AM

Wesson, live in Beauregard but the Wesson/Beauregard area.

It's fair to say I live in what's called "the sticks".

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Posted 10 June 2006 - 01:41 AM

View PostSmitty, on Jun 10 2006, 12:40 AM, said:

. . . and Sylvester McCoy peing pumped full of lead in the tv movie etc.

Well, he arguably could've survived that were it not for the human-centric medical attention he received. :)

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Posted 10 June 2006 - 02:08 AM

View PostDWF, on Jun 9 2006, 10:28 PM, said:

I think they'd need an entire body to regenerate a body part won't do the trick and I don't think even the Doctor can travel back to Gallifrey, he can't go back and change things as Father's Day proved. And you can kill a Time Lord it is possible to kill one before they can regenerate and yes I do think that if you blow up their planet they can't come back.

Ok, Wasn't aware they needed a whole body. I was under the impression that as soon as they died they regenerated. Which also made me wonder if they were like Hydras...If you cut off one arm, do you get 2 doctors? But if a body part won't do then I guess not.
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Posted 10 June 2006 - 02:10 AM

I just wanted to add. Rose really doesn't treat Mickey very well, does she?

The look on his face when she said: "there's nothing here for me." was something.
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Posted 10 June 2006 - 02:32 AM

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In the episode The Christmas Invasion, the first fullon David Tennant/The Doctor 10 episode. He gets his hand chopped by an irate Sycorax and he regrows a new one. But he explained he was still in his regeneration cycle when that happened.


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Posted 10 June 2006 - 05:38 AM

View PostLORD of the SWORD, on Jun 10 2006, 02:08 AM, said:

View PostDWF, on Jun 9 2006, 10:28 PM, said:


I think they'd need an entire body to regenerate...

Ok, Wasn't aware they needed a whole body.

Technically, it's the same body.  The quote below might help:

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Time Lords also have the ability to regenerate their bodies when their current body has become too old or is mortally wounded. This process results in their body undergoing a transformation, gaining a new physical form and a somewhat different personality. Regenerations can be traumatic events, and have been known to fail.

From http://en.wikipedia....characteristics


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Posted 10 June 2006 - 07:55 AM

There were some pretty incredible moments in this ep. the TARDIS materializing around Rose and the Dalek, the fact that there were only three real Dalek props in this ep. and the standing up regeneration scene was cool too and I'm glad Sci-Fi didn't edit out the kiss between Jack and the Doctor and IMO the series is in good hands with David Tennant.  :cool:

I'm also glad nobody thought the ending was a Deus ex Machina as a great number of people thought when it first aired.

Edited by DWF, 10 June 2006 - 07:57 AM.

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Posted 10 June 2006 - 08:51 AM

View PostCaretaker, on Jun 10 2006, 12:08 AM, said:

I didn't get why the phrase Bad Wolf, but, a predestination paradox certainly would explain it's lack of start.

I think it's just because the corporation running the satellite was called Badwolf for whatever reason.  Their "BADWOLF CORPORATION" sign was this big, dominant feature of the chamber where the final confrontation happened, and that was the place Rose needed to get to, so she just took that convenient landmark and seeded it through time.  If the corporation had called itself "Zyzzyvex," then that would've been the phrase seeded through time -- and it would've stood out a heck of a lot more.

View PostLORD of the SWORD, on Jun 10 2006, 03:08 AM, said:

Ok, Wasn't aware they needed a whole body. I was under the impression that as soon as they died they regenerated.

I've always interpreted it as something that happens just before they die, a last-ditch defense against death, rather than a reversal of death.  I assume that if regeneration doesn't kick in before the actual moment of death, then it's too late.  As far as I know, the only instance where a Doctor actually stopped breathing before regeneration happened was the one in the movie, where he was already declared dead and put in the morgue for a couple of hours before regeneration kicked in.  But that was quite anomalous.  Every other time we've seen it happen, it's kicked in shortly before he would've died.  (I choose to assume that in the movie's case, he wasn't really dead, just in a deep coma that the human doctors couldn't distinguish from death.  Hard to make sense of it otherwise.)
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Posted 10 June 2006 - 09:32 AM

View PostDWF, on Jun 10 2006, 07:55 AM, said:

There were some pretty incredible moments in this ep. the TARDIS materializing around Rose and the Dalek, the fact that there were only three real Dalek props in this ep. and the standing up regeneration scene was cool too and I'm glad Sci-Fi didn't edit out the kiss between Jack and the Doctor and IMO the series is in good hands with David Tennant.  :cool:

Some of use who'd... um... already seen the show through other means were really curious if the kiss would be cut. There wasn't a real reason for them to cut it, it wasn't like it was a "sexual kiss", but Sci Fi and other USA Network channels get weird on censoring. I remember one show where they bleeped the word bitch when the characters were talking about a female dog.  :rolleyes:

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I'm also glad nobody thought the ending was a Deus ex Machina as a great number of people thought when it first aired.

Nah, it was Deus ex TARDIS.  :whistle:

Now... has anyone heard any rumor of Sci Fi picking up season two or Torchwood? I think for a show that's the only original program on Sci Fi Friday, it's gotten good ratings. Season two only has five more eps to go in the UK, and I'd think Sci Fi could go ahead and annouce they're going to have it, even if it might be a while before it airs.
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Posted 10 June 2006 - 09:45 AM

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Now... has anyone heard any rumor of Sci Fi picking up season two or Torchwood? I think for a show that's the only original program on Sci Fi Friday, it's gotten good ratings. Season two only has five more eps to go in the UK, and I'd think Sci Fi could go ahead and annouce they're going to have it, even if it might be a while before it airs.

There's been no talk of either one coming here yet and I suspect that a Torchwood announcement would be some time off in coming, but as soon as I know anything I'll certainly post it.  :cool:
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Posted 10 June 2006 - 10:01 AM

View PostDWF, on Jun 10 2006, 09:45 AM, said:

There's been no talk of either one coming here yet and I suspect that a Torchwood announcement would be some time off in coming, but as soon as I know anything I'll certainly post it.  :cool:

Several of my online friends are now "Hooked on Who" and keep asking me for news about season two, since they know that I'm already watching it. They're having a hard time understanding why season two is nearing completion in the UK, but we don't have any word about it coming to Sci Fi. They hadn't heard about the first season being a sort of last minute deal in the first place and are surprised that Sci Fi seems to be dragging their heels.

I do have to wonder if Torchwood's more "adult" spin will have any effect on it being picked up.

Edited by Nialla, 10 June 2006 - 10:28 AM.

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Posted 10 June 2006 - 10:15 AM

View PostNialla, on Jun 10 2006, 11:01 AM, said:

View PostDWF, on Jun 10 2006, 09:45 AM, said:

There's been no talk of either one coming here yet and I suspect that a Torchwood announcement would be some time off in coming, but as soon as I know anything I'll certainly post it.  :cool:

Several of my online friends are now "Hooked on Who" and keep asking me for news about season two, since they know that I'm already watching it. They're having a hard time understanding why season two is nearing completion in the UK, but we don't have any word about it coming to Sci Fi. They hadn't heard about the first season being a sort of last minute deal in the first place and are surprised that Sci Fi seems to be dragging their heels.

I do have to wonder if Torchwood's more "adult" spin will have any affect on it being picked up.

Given how long it took Sci-fi to pick up this season of Dr. Who I'm not surprised that we haven't heard anything about season two or Torchwood coming here as well.  :eh:
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Posted 10 June 2006 - 10:55 AM

I didn't know a thing about Dr. Who. (Yes, I'm ignorant. ;) ) But I happened to catch last night's episode and absolutely loved it. Didn't matter that I don't know a thing about the Whoverse. It was still tons of fun to watch: creative, funny, and cheesy in a totally endearing way. And the Daleks were a hoot--like demented R2D2s. Loved it. :love:
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Posted 10 June 2006 - 12:00 PM

A Whobie Newbvie question:  do all the Doctors say "Fantastic!" a lot, or is that the catchphrase for Eccleston's Doctor?

Although this is probably a stretch, in some versions of "Little Red Riding Hood," the Woodsman cuts open the wolf with his axe to free Red's grandmother and Red herself.  I wondered if this was an allusion inspired by the Tardis having to be pulled open to empower Rose.

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Posted 10 June 2006 - 12:47 PM

View PostCardie, on Jun 10 2006, 10:00 AM, said:

A Whobie Newbvie question:  do all the Doctors say "Fantastic!" a lot, or is that the catchphrase for Eccleston's Doctor?
Each Doctor (and some companions) had their own catchphrases and quirks.  "Fantastic" was Eccleston's. :)

("Have a jelly baby" was Tom Baker's catchphrase, Jon Pertwee's Doctor liked to "reverse the polarity of the neutron flow", Peter Davison often said "Brave heart" especially to Tegan, Troughton companion Jamie often said "look at the size of that thing, Doctor!", and don't get me started on all of Leela's little phrases :))

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Posted 10 June 2006 - 01:25 PM

View PostCardie, on Jun 10 2006, 01:00 PM, said:

A Whobie Newbvie question:  do all the Doctors say "Fantastic!" a lot...?

No, thank goodness.  That was fine for one Doctor, but it would've gotten tiresome after a couple of decades....


View Postwritergroupie, on Jun 10 2006, 01:47 PM, said:

Each Doctor (and some companions) had their own catchphrases and quirks.  "Fantastic" was Eccleston's. :)

("Have a jelly baby" was Tom Baker's catchphrase, Jon Pertwee's Doctor liked to "reverse the polarity of the neutron flow", Peter Davison often said "Brave heart" especially to Tegan, Troughton companion Jamie often said "look at the size of that thing, Doctor!", and don't get me started on all of Leela's little phrases :))

I'd say Troughton's most characteristic expressions were "Oh dear" and "Run!"  Hartnell's main verbal quirk was his little "Hm?" at the ends of sentences -- that and flubbing about half his lines. ;)

Colin Baker didn't have a trademark phrase per se, more just a general arrogance and grandiosity.  His trademark was more his flamboyant, ultra-tacky wardrobe.  Although he did go on about his unchronicled encounter with the Terrible Zodin more than once.

I can't think of any particular catchphrase of McCoy's, except for one that he shared with several other Doctors: "Hello, I'm the Doctor and this is my friend ____."
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