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#21 BklnScott

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Posted 15 June 2006 - 10:24 AM

Among my few, minor quibbles with this otherwise extraordinarily good two-parter is the cop out with Rose at the end: she really should've put that bullet right in the guy's head, instead of shooting out the cockpit window -- which was, well, retarded.  How the hell did she know there was a (very convenient) blast shield?  They all should've died.

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#22 writergroupie

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Posted 16 June 2006 - 12:02 AM

^ But wasn't possessed-Toby saying "you can't kill me"?  So shooting him would've wasted the one bullet and done nothing, whereas shooting out the window sent him into the black hole and effectively got rid of him.  I thought it was a very smart move by Rose.

Of course there is the problem that they said in the first part that their ammo only shoots through organics and I doubt the window was organic. :p  But maybe this was a different ammo?  Of course anything that would shoot through a window would've been a problem on the station, so...

At any rate - freakin' awesome!  But from the way RTD talked in the Confidential, it sounds like he had a major hand in the scripting of this one - especially as we heard nothing about or from Matt Jones himself.  And there were some definite RTD moments - the sacrifice of the likeable character (the young girl and the security guy) and the bodily function joke while they're in the conduit. :rolleyes:

Still this felt like and looked like a Doctor Who MOVIE not a two part TV episode!  I would've happily paid to see this on the big screen!  It worked as a self-contained 2 hour story with little background required - I felt it was very accessible.  If I were to intro someone new to Doctor Who (who didn't want to watch two seasons' worth of material), I think I'd easily start with this two-parter.

Great job all around!

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#23 Ilphi

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Posted 16 June 2006 - 03:57 AM

This episode also pushed the series forward in another regard - as far as I can tell it's the first episode to be set entirely off-Earth (or some varient on Earth), which in my opinion is a very good progression, as it (quite literally) opens up a whole universe for the writers to play with instead of having to touch base every episode.
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#24 Raeven

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Posted 16 June 2006 - 07:08 AM

finally watched it last night - awesome, best episode(s) so far this season :)


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#25 Nialla

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Posted 16 June 2006 - 10:52 PM

View Post_ph, on Jun 15 2006, 10:24 AM, said:

Among my few, minor quibbles with this otherwise extraordinarily good two-parter is the cop out with Rose at the end: she really should've put that bullet right in the guy's head, instead of shooting out the cockpit window -- which was, well, retarded.  How the hell did she know there was a (very convenient) blast shield?  They all should've died.

She didn't know there was a shield, and fully expected to die. But shooting the guy wouldn't have killed him. By shooting out the window, he'd end up in the black hole, either on his own or with them in the ship, which was the failsafe his jailers had intended.
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Posted 18 June 2006 - 04:41 PM

This was such an awesome two-parter. Aside from Billie Piper's endless mugging, the grim tone was kept throughout and the CGI were dazzling.

I think I've finally accepted David Tennant in the role. I was suffering from Eccleston loss for a while there. ;)
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Posted 25 June 2006 - 07:20 PM

View Postwritergroupie, on Jun 16 2006, 01:02 AM, said:

^ But wasn't possessed-Toby saying "you can't kill me"?  So shooting him would've wasted the one bullet and done nothing, whereas shooting out the window sent him into the black hole and effectively got rid of him.  I thought it was a very smart move by Rose.

Of course there is the problem that they said in the first part that their ammo only shoots through organics and I doubt the window was organic. :p  But maybe this was a different ammo?  Of course anything that would shoot through a window would've been a problem on the station, so...


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It was the bolt gun that Zack brought from central control, so it could shoot though the window.

And it was a great two parter, I saw it in a group session today but missed a scene or two right after the TARDIS came up missing.  :(
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