I feel we may benefit from having the quoted bible passage in its entirety:
"The Pharisees and Sadducees came to Jesus, wanting to trick him. So they asked him to show them a miracle from God.
Jesus answered, "At sunset you say we will have good weather, because the sky is red. And in the morning you say that it will be a rainy day, because the sky is dark and red. You see these signs in the sky and know what they mean. In the same way, you see the things that I am doing now, but you don't know their meaning. Evil and sinful people will not be given any sign, except the sign of Jonah*." Then Jesus left them and went away."
* Jonah's 3 days in the fish are like Jesus' 3 days in the tomb
Good ole' Red sky at night, shepherd's delight, red sky in the morning, shepherd's warning. Don't you think gs
, that that passage is perhaps, not dissimilar to this situation? There, and all along you were asking us- there's an FAQ in the Bible with answers from Jesus himself! Ask God! But, 'talk is cheap', even from God...? If you can't accept words from Jesus that you can see, you'll never accept mangoes from a God that you cannot see.
I have all the proof I need in my life. God always leads me in the right direction and shows me things and teaches me things I wouldn't otherwise appreciate. Because I have faith, I don't need God to make it abundantly obvious that he is real- just as I don't need my mum to make it clear to every person on this planet that SHE exists. If you come knocking on my door- there you will find my mum. But until you do that you can never know her. It's the same with God.
- Like any good parent, no matter how much we whine, God gives us what we need, not what we want. In heaven I've no doubt you can have all the mangoes your heart desireth but happy are those who believe without seeing. Believe you me- you need a computer more than a mango. God knows that.
This isn't nearly as black and white as you make it seem. Mary Rose
is understandably insulted that you make it seem so simple when it really. just. isn't. you act as though you expect us to say 'oh yeah, i never thought about that'- newsflash- we don't believe things irrationally, we think questions like this through- for me very objectively before i became Christian. think about the consequences of God making it unavoidably clear to all that he exists. that changes everything about life- including free will. God wants people to come to him of their own free will, if he wanted a bunch of minions he could do that very easily. He doesn't.
It all comes down to this - for those who believe, no proof is needed. for those who do not- no proof is enough. If a burgler stole your computer and the next day your friend bought you a mango for a birthday present, you would be quick to dismiss it as coincidence, i'm sure.
Why should God give you a mango? You don't believe in him, you haven't prayed for a mango, you don't need a mango, oh, and did i mention the part about you not believing in him? If you don't let God into your life, you can't expect him to force his way in.
What you're asking, is your friend to get you something from your bedroom, but without letting them into your house. Sure, they could break in forcibly and give it to you- but they care about you too much to break in and force their presence upon you when you so clearly don't want them there. No matter how much you yell at your friend, they won't enter your house until you invite them. God is an amazing friend- not all friends stay outside your door through all weathers, being continually rejected and rejected and insulted, potentially abused, slandered ...just on the offchance that you want to let him in. Even some parents wouldn't stand up to that.
, you say that a mango is more important than the words of the bible? My friend a mango is extremely cheap. Tesco probably do them for under a pound. Wisdom is priceless. Words can be cheap, or they can be invaluable. Do not be so quick to write them off for the sake of a mango. Now if you went looking for something equally as priceless, say, love, you'll find God has already given that to you. If you went looking for forgiveness, God would give it to you. Unless, you used the same insincerity which you employ now, that is...
Well, long, long ago God turned my computer into an APPLE. Since then I have felt so very blessed with this APPLE that there is absolutely no reason to ask for it to be a mango. I already have a miracle, so thus I am well pleased.
ROFL! Brilliance Gigi!
All I will say is that when you finally see him face to face I hope He hands you a mango.
I can picture it now.
God: Gs, you have lead a good life. Thus, if you want, you can enter into heaven if you now accept that I *do* exist, and can be a part of your life in death, even if you missed out in life, but only if you want.
GS: ...that's all well and good, but where's my mango?
God *hands GS a mango*
Gs: thank you! finally! *enters heaven*
I daresay though gs
, that you, being nearly as stubborn as me, will disregard my point of view in a circular sort of argument which implies you have not read a word I typed.
If you answer with 'That's all talk, where's my mango?' then again you insinuate that mangoes are worth more than talk. Well then, that is where we fundamentally disagree.
Much beside the point, as a computer nerd *huggles computer* (don' worry darlin, i'd much rather have you than a lousy mango
) ahem, I value my computer much more than a mango *pats CPU*
Well, wouldn't want *MY* computer getting any funny ideas...