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#21 Bobby

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Posted 11 July 2006 - 11:26 AM

View PostJid, on Jul 11 2006, 11:11 AM, said:

Well, I'm a Canadian, so no problem there ;)


Does universal healthcare work?  I've read things that claim it can take months for people to get surgery and stuff, is that true?  I don't really see why everyone is against it here, an illness can wipe out people financially no matter where they are on the economic totem pole.

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Posted 11 July 2006 - 11:26 AM

View PostG1223, on Jul 11 2006, 02:27 PM, said:

Oh but we are saving the lives all those people to whom smoke is cause of so many ills. As well as the lives of those who would die in accidents. No civilization is not worth that price we must be stupid and bend over backwards to save those lives.

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Posted 11 July 2006 - 12:12 PM

Mark: 100,099 males and 80,163 females were diagnosed with lung cancer
90,121 males and 67,509 females died from lung cancer.
90% of all lung cancer was due to tobacco use, either directly, or through second-hand smoke.
Tobacco smoke contains 3,500 chemicals, 40 of which are known carcinogens in humans.

Car accidents are the leading cause of death the the USA.
30% of Americans are involved in alcohol-related auto-crashes in their lifetime.
$50 billion a year is spent on alcohol-related automobile accidents every year.
$10 billion is used to treat people for problems of alcohol abuse each year.
$2 billion is spent each year by alcohol's advertisers.

It seems to me that if we're gonna throw the taxation on tobacco because it kills over half of it's users, then we should be taxing alcohol with the same zeal.

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Posted 11 July 2006 - 12:28 PM

View Postveganmom, on Jul 11 2006, 11:27 AM, said:

Hey, if you don't like the State/Nanny/Master telling you not to smoke, then keep your insurance payments up and don't come to the State/Nanny/Master's Medicare/Medicaid to help out with your hospital bills when you're dying of lung cancer.

That's pretty simple.


I Do and Yet Super Nanny seems unable to make the Insurance Company which wanted the seatbelt law to drop the fees they charge us. "So here we come to save your life and we will not make the insurance companies drop their price a dime."

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Super Nanny a child of a red taped planet. With the power to help you live a healthy life based on what she thinks is healthy. Able to force businesses to cater to the whims of people other than their customers. Able to Bend ruls to fit her agneda.
And disguised as a commitee to better the human race. Super Nanny wages a never ending battle against Freedom of Choice, Home Schooling , and anything where the state is kept out of monitering your home and life 24/7.

Comming for your freedoms real soon.

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Posted 11 July 2006 - 12:36 PM

H'm. I wonder how many people guns have killed this century. Or cars. Or aeroplanes. Or obesity. Or diabetes or high cholesterol or the flu or war . . .

I think smoking should be encouraged. We need something to keep the number of humans on this limited-sized planet down.

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Posted 11 July 2006 - 12:44 PM

View PostG1223, on Jul 11 2006, 01:28 PM, said:

Look up in the sky. It's a uselss organ. No it's a Group of Protestors. No It's Super Nanny.

Super Nanny a child of a red taped planet. With the power to help you live a healthy life based on what she thinks is healthy. Able to force businesses to cater to the whims of people other than their customers. Able to Bend ruls to fit her agneda.
And disguised as a commitee to better the human race. Super Nanny wages a never ending battle against Freedom of Choice, Home Schooling , and anything where the state is kept out of monitering your home and life 24/7.

Comming for your freedoms real soon.


LMAO! Couldn't have phrased it better myself.
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Posted 11 July 2006 - 01:05 PM

I want the statistics on pie!   Since I don't smoke, I'm more worried about pie...

Good thing is, there aren't many worries about secondhand pie.  That's, like, luck!

Lung cancer got my aunt several years back.  As she was gasping out her last breaths she was hallucinating, and one thing she was doing was lighting imaginary cigarettes.  I kinda wish we could have filmed that for a TV commercial.  Regardless of that, I've got an uncle who still smokes.  Luckily my parents both quit years and years ago...

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Posted 11 July 2006 - 01:23 PM

The first thing that strikes me is that the internal combustion engine and the automobile is the cornerstone of modern civilization.   It is the workhorse that keeps our civilization going.  If the automobile vanished today along with the internal combustion engine our civilization would collapse.  If tobacco disappeared from the face of the planet today a lot of smokers would whine, the tobacco industry would go bankrupt, and the rest of us wouldn’t have to deal with it anymore.  Even though it may seem like a necessity to some smokers but smoking is not one of the essential technological cornerstones of western civilization.

Second unlike fatty food or obesity the person chewing down on MacDonald’s everyday isn’t putting byproducts into the air that kills others.  That is the key difference you can kill yourself as much as you want but when you start killing others it isn’t right.  Myself I don’t ever expect to get rid of cigarettes and I don’t plan on doing so.  That said I’ll be happy if the price hits $10 a pack due to taxes on them and even happier at $15 or $20 a pack.  With all the tax money going to into paying for the damage smokers do to others.  

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LOTS: I say stay away from me when I'm smoking, you say stay away from you while I'm smoking...so far we seem to be on the same page.
No one can dodge through the inevitable 5 to 10 feet of gauntlet of smokers puffing away outside the exit of any public building you want to go into.  I used to work for a Environmental Health and Safety Office and we always had to chase smokers away from the entrance of buildings even though they were supposed to be at least fifteen away from the entrance.  It reached the point where we had to chase them away to flush the firefighting hookup lines on the outside of the buildings and they’d head back in before we could even turn the system on.  At that point it was their fault if they got wet.  

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LOTS: But cities like NY seem to take great delight in discriminating against smokers.
Our entire state has those laws and I’m proud of Albany for doing that.
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LOTS: But cities like NY seem to take great delight in discriminating against smokers.

CJ: Our entire state has those laws and I’m proud of Albany for doing that.

As am I.  And I don't see where the "delight" accusation comes from.

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Posted 11 July 2006 - 01:50 PM

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Second unlike fatty food or obesity the person chewing down on MacDonald’s everyday isn’t putting byproducts into the air that kills others.

Mark:  :suspect: Oh, ho-ho-ho-ho...I beg to differ. You haven't been to the McDonald's around here, huh?  :p  
I thought cattle were bad about it...but they don't have anything on a human who's just eaten a couple of Big Mac's with cheese, and fries...then an apple pie with ice cream, for desert! GADS!  :wacko:
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Posted 11 July 2006 - 02:26 PM

View PostLORD of the SWORD, on Jul 11 2006, 08:38 AM, said:

View PostSpidey, on Jul 11 2006, 01:52 AM, said:

Ah, but you see, LotS, the difference is you CHOSE to smoke.  So hence, stay away from me when you light one up.

And the age old debate about whose rights are more important begins.

Does your right to do your drug outweigh his right to NOT do your drug (via exposure to your smoke)?  This is a no brainer, LoTS.

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I think a smoker should be allowed to legally smoke in the smoking section of a restaurant...And should definately be allowed to smoke outside the restaurant. But cities like NY seem to take great delight in discriminating against smokers.

Now you can argue it's not discrimination because smokers can still go out to eat...But really we can't. Because it isn't as enjoyable.

I'd like to receive oral sex at a restaurant, because, if I can't, the meal really isn't as enjoyable.

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Posted 11 July 2006 - 02:30 PM

View PostCJ AEGIS, on Jul 11 2006, 02:23 PM, said:

Our entire state has those laws and I’m proud of Albany for doing that.

It's too bad that phillips Morris chickened out of what they said they do if NY ever passed that law: Namely packing up their business, taking their jobs with them...putting countless NY employees on the unemployment line. And stopping their million dollar contributions to the NY city programs, museums, ect...

Would've love to seen the faces of the politicans that passed that law once they realized they were responsible for a lot of people being unemployeed, and that contributions to the city suddenly stopped....Would've been a kodak moment if ever there was.

But, sadly, PM chickened out...the wussies.
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Posted 11 July 2006 - 02:32 PM

View PostScottEVill, on Jul 11 2006, 03:26 PM, said:

I'd like to receive oral sex at a restaurant, because, if I can't, the meal really isn't as enjoyable.

Then by all means find yourself a partner who is willing to blow you off while you eat. What's the problem here? Can't find someone willing to do it?
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Posted 11 July 2006 - 02:32 PM

View PostScottEVill, on Jul 11 2006, 12:26 PM, said:

View PostLORD of the SWORD, on Jul 11 2006, 08:38 AM, said:

View PostSpidey, on Jul 11 2006, 01:52 AM, said:

Ah, but you see, LotS, the difference is you CHOSE to smoke.  So hence, stay away from me when you light one up.

And the age old debate about whose rights are more important begins.

Does your right to do your drug outweigh his right to NOT do your drug (via exposure to your smoke)?  This is a no brainer, LoTS.

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I think a smoker should be allowed to legally smoke in the smoking section of a restaurant...And should definately be allowed to smoke outside the restaurant. But cities like NY seem to take great delight in discriminating against smokers.

Now you can argue it's not discrimination because smokers can still go out to eat...But really we can't. Because it isn't as enjoyable.

I'd like to receive oral sex at a restaurant, because, if I can't, the meal really isn't as enjoyable.

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Posted 11 July 2006 - 02:35 PM

View PostScottEVill, on Jul 11 2006, 03:26 PM, said:

Does your right to do your drug outweigh his right to NOT do your drug (via exposure to your smoke)?  This is a no brainer, LoTS.

Ah, so it's about clean air then? Alright. Does a person's right to clean air outweigh a motorists right to drive his car? Or the factories right to pollute the air with their byproducts?

It's amazing how the anti-smoking crowd wants to avoid those issues and focus solely on smokers.
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Posted 11 July 2006 - 02:42 PM

View PostRhea, on Jul 11 2006, 02:32 PM, said:

View PostScottEVill, on Jul 11 2006, 12:26 PM, said:

View PostLORD of the SWORD, on Jul 11 2006, 08:38 AM, said:

View PostSpidey, on Jul 11 2006, 01:52 AM, said:

Ah, but you see, LotS, the difference is you CHOSE to smoke.  So hence, stay away from me when you light one up.

And the age old debate about whose rights are more important begins.

Does your right to do your drug outweigh his right to NOT do your drug (via exposure to your smoke)?  This is a no brainer, LoTS.

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I think a smoker should be allowed to legally smoke in the smoking section of a restaurant...And should definately be allowed to smoke outside the restaurant. But cities like NY seem to take great delight in discriminating against smokers.

Now you can argue it's not discrimination because smokers can still go out to eat...But really we can't. Because it isn't as enjoyable.

I'd like to receive oral sex at a restaurant, because, if I can't, the meal really isn't as enjoyable.

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Ah, so it's about clean air then? Alright. Does a person's right to clean air outweigh a motorists right to drive his car? Or the factories right to pollute the air with their byproducts?

It's amazing how the anti-smoking crowd wants to avoid those issues and focus solely on smokers.

^Might have something to do with how people don't generally pipe car exhaust and factory emissions into restaurants, hmmm?  

Because last I checked, no one was trying to get smoking out on the street banned either.

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Posted 11 July 2006 - 02:47 PM

The thing that bothers me most about many folks who smoke is that they do it right in front of entrances to buildings.  I have to get past the poison gas just to go in or out.  Another thing that annoys me is being behind people with cigarettes in their hands, but they barely take a puff.  They just hold it and let the poison blow right to my lungs.  Great.   :sarcasm:  Oh, and then my clothes start to smell, and I have to go home and wash 'em.  The best part is going to a casino and watching the old folks take a wiff of their cigarette and then a bigger wiff of their oxygen tank.
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Posted 11 July 2006 - 02:50 PM

So I take it we're going back to the horse drawn carriage and wagons?  Walking might help on the obesity front.  

In all seriousness, even though pollution from the vehicles is bad, it serves the whole of the community.  There do need to be alternative methods since global warming is real.    Cigarettes only give a fix to the person puffing on them.  

Was there a fire when you guys  wasted water trying to hose down the smokers?  Or were the cigarettes a fire hazard?

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Posted 11 July 2006 - 02:53 PM

View PostJid, on Jul 11 2006, 12:42 PM, said:

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Ah, so it's about clean air then? Alright. Does a person's right to clean air outweigh a motorists right to drive his car? Or the factories right to pollute the air with their byproducts?

It's amazing how the anti-smoking crowd wants to avoid those issues and focus solely on smokers.

^Might have something to do with how people don't generally pipe car exhaust and factory emissions into restaurants, hmmm?  

Because last I checked, no one was trying to get smoking out on the street banned either.

Has anyone ever heard of death by car exhaust?  The only times would be some one fuming themselves to death in a running car in a closed garage.  Smoke from a cigarette is in a lot closer proximity to other people than a car exaust pipe.  Car exaust doesn't cause cancer, or emphazima like a cigarette would.  There is no "death by second hand car exaust" because it doesn't exist.  And car exhaust doesn't stick to your clothes and funnel right into your lungs like a cigarette would, unless you suck on it.
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